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[14:32:45] <aretana> You can join the pim@jabber.ietf.org <mailto:pim@jabber.ietf.org> room from a different application.
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[14:50:36] <Peter Feil> Are there any slides to be shown?
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[14:53:27] <Peter Feil> I just see the screen of Stig, but not the current presentation
[14:53:50] <aretana> I am seeing the slides change…
[14:54:17] <aretana> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/108/session/pim
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[14:54:28] <Mike McBride> you may have to log back in, it happened to me when testing meetecho
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[14:55:18] <Peter Feil> OK after a reload...
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[15:30:11] <aretana> Sound is not good for me: too soft… :-(
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[15:30:38] <Mike McBride> just crank up the volume in the bottom right. He had the same issue when testing, no headset.
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[15:31:16] <aretana> That helped a little..  Thanks!
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[15:42:12] <Jake Holland> NORM and FLUTE (or ALC, rather) use FEC, or you can also do it at the app layer inside your UDP.  That's gonna be a whole lot easier than interdomain qos.
[15:43:02] <Jake Holland> I mean, interdomain qos would be nice and all, but deployment on that (especially with fixed codepoints) might be as heavy a lift as multicast.
[15:44:28] <Mike McBride> Agreed. And haven't thought about PGM in many years but it has been implemented in host OS's but really not sure how effective it has been.
[15:45:56] <Rick Taylor> FEC etc starts to look like the work that's happening in DetNet...
[15:46:40] <Mike McBride> do happen to know if detnet work includes unicast and multicast
[15:47:09] <Rick Taylor> Off the top of my head - DetNet is unicast focussed, but I don't have the charter in front of me
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[15:48:31] <aretana> The charter says it includes both: “The work applies to point-to-point
(unicast) and point-to-multipoint (multicast) flows…”
[15:48:41] <Rick Taylor> I stand corrected by an AD ;)
[15:49:19] <Ronald in 't Velt> NORM uses FEC for repairs and optionally also proactively
[15:49:24] <aretana> Copy and paste is my superpower! :-)
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[15:50:11] <Rick Taylor> +1 to DetNet liaison
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[15:51:48] <Rick Taylor> I think you need a definition of "Reliable" as well - without going down a rabbit hole
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[15:52:54] <Jake Holland> thanks :)
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[15:52:59] <Ian Duncan> thanks
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