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[19:29:59] <danc> Leslie convenes the plenary session...
[19:30:16] <danc> what's the norm re sharing slides online? do we just wait for the proceedings?
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[19:32:17] <danc> slide "Recent IAB document highlights"
[19:32:27] <danc> draft-iab-dns-assumptions
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[19:33:07] <danc> http://www.iab.org/documents/drafts/draft-iab-dns-assumptions-02.txt
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[19:33:55] <danc> Design Choices When Expanding DNS http://www.iab.org/documents/drafts/draft-iab-dns-choices-00.txt
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[19:34:19] <danc> Leslie referred to draft-iab-dns-assumptions as ".sex considered harmful, plus lots more"
[19:34:46] <danc> "... Expanding DNS" is about new DNS record types vs txt records etc.
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[19:42:19] <danc> "locator/identity split" ... hmm...
[19:42:23] <tonyhansen> http://www.tml.hut.fi/~pnr/presentations/IETF62-Plenary-HIP-RG-05-03-10.pdf
[19:42:32] <danc> www.tml.hut.fi/~pnr/Plenary.pdf
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[19:44:21] <danc> http://www.irtf.org/charters/hip.html
[19:44:40] <danc> public keys for host identifiers... interesting idea
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[19:49:49] <danc> hmm.. an extra 2 round trips. ouch.
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[19:55:10] <danc> that slide with the bubbles was nice
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[19:55:30] <danc> is that rendezvous in the zeroconf sense?
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[20:01:20] <ogud> DNS reorders RR's all the time so he has no control over what order the AAAA are presented to application
[20:02:02] <Doug> yeah, one more reason to replace the AAAA hack sooner rather than later
[20:03:10] <warlord> It wouldn't matter whether it's AAAA or A6. DNS is not ordered.
[20:03:32] <Doug> but if you had a HIT RR, then it wouldn't matter
[20:03:38] <Doug> (or whatever the right name is)
[20:04:00] <ogud> real easy write short ID asking IANA for a DNS type code
[20:04:36] <Doug> *nod* we've been working with the dns wgs lately to clarify those rules, so it's even easier now :)
[20:04:58] <danc> definitely grab a new record type *before* the success disaster comes ;-)
[20:05:00] <warlord> Sure, but it doesn't help ordering of RRs within an RRSet
[20:05:52] <ogud> if orders matter put a weight field in the RR for application to guide selection (like MX)
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[20:27:41] <danc> Q: does HIP help with spam? with zombies?
[20:27:41] <danc> A: no.
[20:28:00] <danc> ---
[20:28:22] <danc> "We're the group that took the Internet to the airplane". [applause]
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[20:34:33] <danc> amazing to think that airplanes didn't already have some net bandwidth
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[20:38:51] <warlord> depends on your definition of "net". Not IP, but they do have other methods of communication.
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[20:41:20] <sleinen> You can try this too, if you have Java 1.4 or better... e.g. http://www.ris.ripe.net/cgi-bin/bgplay.cgi?prefix=216.65.243.0/24&start=2005-02-21+22:40&end=2005-02-22+08:02
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[20:50:22] <danc> http://www.connexionbyboeing.com/
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[20:51:57] <danc> Q: with all these "please turn off your cellphone" warnings on planes, is this [802.11 on the plane] safe?
[20:52:22] <danc> A: yes, we've been dealing with the issue of cellphones left on in luggage since the '80s...
[20:52:39] <danc> ... the FCC [?] has been running pilots. You'll see it change over time
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[20:55:24] <danc> "probably some education that needs to happen in that organization" . ;-)
[20:55:24] <danc> run that thru the PC filter backwards, and you get "somebody give them a clue, please"
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[20:55:44] <danc> Q: latency?
[20:55:49] <danc> A: yes, MS outlook will definitely hate it.
[20:57:38] <danc> AF: I tried a SIP phone, but it didn't work thru the NAT, so I tried skype, and it worked. My question is: did I upload or download skype? ;-)
[20:58:47] <danc> Q: any work with FAA to use this sort of net for command-control? they don't have much over the pacific...
[20:59:16] <danc> A: FAA not leading that sort of thing... airplanes still use OSI... we're running out of people that know how to program that stuff...
[21:01:49] <danc> IAB folks take the stage
[21:02:04] * danc wishes for a pointer to one of the photos that are being taken
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[21:05:27] <danc> Q: on the one hand, we hear that the value proposition of IPV6 isn't clear, and on the other hand, all week all these WGs are jumping thru hoops to work around NAT foo. When are we going to stop?
[21:06:31] <danc> A/JR: the parties that build the nets aren't motivated [darn; he said it well, but I can't write it]
[21:06:42] <danc> Q: how about IPV6 tunnelling?
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[21:20:23] <danc> ... discussion of IETF/ITU discussion ...
[21:20:53] <danc> IABx: ... you may have seen the liaison statement... but perhaps our responsiveness is not as visible as it should be...
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[21:37:07] <danc> Henning notes Apple transition is, at least in part, fueled by advertising. While IETF will probably never have budget for that, perhaps working with ISOC, we could generate consumer pressure for "the future internet"
[21:37:12] <jorma> Q: what can/is/should IETF be doing to promote a ubiquitous public key infrastructure?
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[21:44:28] <danc> will the mp3 streams be publicly available?
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[21:47:10] <Bill> danc: yes, http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/
[21:48:18] <danc> er... I meant to ask... will the mp3 files be archived in public? I know the real-time streams are available
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[21:48:47] <danc> ah... "The raw recorded sessions are being archived here"
[21:51:53] <Bill> yeah, that one ;-)
[21:52:45] <danc> that's an interesting question... could skype have been built using the ipv6 tunnelling stuff?
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[21:54:03] <danc> which doc is jr excited to hear about?
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[21:56:57] <tonyhansen> draft-vandevelde-v6ops-nap-01.txt
[21:58:06] <danc> tx. http://ietfreport.isoc.org/idref/draft-vandevelde-v6ops-nap/
[21:58:21] <danc> "IPv6 Network Architecture Protection"
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