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[20:29:34] <Tobia Castaldi> Slide 1: Technical Plenary
[20:30:44] <cmorgan> Live audio captions will be available at http://www.streamtext.net/text.aspx?event=ietf [http://www.streamtext.net/text.aspx?event=ietf]
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[20:32:58] <Tobia Castaldi> Slide 2: Note Well
[20:33:26] <Tobia Castaldi> Slide 3: Agenda
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[20:37:42] <Tobia Castaldi> Slide 5: Applied Networking Research Prize
[20:37:45] <Tobia Castaldi> Slide 6: IRTF Open Meeting Agenda Wednesday, 9:00
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[20:38:04] <Tobia Castaldi> Slide 7: http://irtf.org/
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[20:40:18] <iljitsch> Bonjour, comment ça va?
[20:40:59] <Simon Perreault> appreciate the unicode, iljitsch
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[20:41:47] <hildjj> oops. that might have broken bad clients.
[20:41:55] <Simon Perreault> wfm
[20:41:56] <Lorenzo Miniero> :)
[20:42:00] <iljitsch> isn't that one of the tasks of the ietf?
[20:42:07] <Ruri Hiromi> this real time script can be saved and shared?
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[20:43:04] <hildjj> Ruri: http://www.ietf.org/jabber/logs/plenary@jabber.ietf.org/2011-07-25.html
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[20:43:45] <tsavo_work@jabber.org/Meebo> is there audio stream from plenary?
[20:43:54] <Ruri Hiromi> Thanks > hildjj
[20:44:24] <Lorenzo Miniero> tsavo try joining on Meetecho: http://www.meetecho.com/ietf81/plenary
[20:44:36] <Lorenzo Miniero> jabber room, slides and audio/video in there
[20:44:44] <Ruri Hiromi> also can we share the text over the screen, too?
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[20:44:52] <Robert Story> tsavo: RTSP-based radio stream: rtsp://conf.meetecho.com/5551746.sdp
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[20:45:37] <Simon Perreault> http://streamtext.net/text.aspx?event=ietf
[20:45:46] <Simon Perreault> (i have new contact lenses, i see the pixels)
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[20:47:24] <Ruri Hiromi> wao, great, thanks > simon
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[20:49:19] <jlcJohn> Sounds like Channel1 has same audio as meetecho...
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[20:54:46] <Alex> Slide 4: Stats
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[20:56:31] <Alex> Slide 5: Message to broken users
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[20:57:48] <Alex> Slide 6: Developers site permanently dualstacked
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[20:58:18] <Alex> Slide 7: DS to everyone via Facebook Connect (2.5
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[20:58:38] <iljitsch> can anyone tell me where I can find the audio stream for the plenary?
[20:58:51] <jpc> rtsp://conf.meetecho.com/5551746.sdp
[20:58:55] <iljitsch> these room codes are too complex for me
[20:59:00] <iljitsch> thanks
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[21:00:05] <tsavo_work@jabber.org/Meebo> huh, that was difficult but finally with VLC I got audio stream rolling. why this IETF did not have usual audio streaming from plenary?
[21:00:09] <Alex> Slide 8: Surprisingly, brokenness seems to be dec
[21:00:48] <iljitsch> yeah my computer wants to open this in realplayer and quicktime doesn't work
[21:01:00] <Alex> Slide 9: Learnings
[21:01:48] <Alex> Slide 10: Broken user gets fixed
[21:01:50] <iljitsch> could be the nat, why no IPv6?
[21:01:50] <Alex> Slide 9: Learnings
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[21:02:36] <iljitsch> 8 khz alaw, great...
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[21:03:57] <Alex> Slide 10: Broken user gets fixed
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[21:06:30] <Alex> Presentazione interrotta
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[21:08:27] <Alex> Slide 3: Participating Yahoo! Front Page Markets
[21:08:44] <Alex> Slide 4: 10 Front Page Serving Sites
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[21:09:24] <Alex> Slide 5: Seven IPv6 Proxy Locations
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[21:09:55] <Alex> Slide 6: Preparing the Infrastructure
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[21:10:38] <Alex> Slide 7: Preparing the Users
[21:10:45] <Alex> Slide 6: Preparing the Infrastructure
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[21:12:26] <Alex> Slide 7: Preparing the Users
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[21:12:59] <Alex> Slide 8: World IPv6 Day, by the numbers
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[21:13:41] <Simon Perreault> there is nice unicode breakage on the slides. *sigh*
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[21:14:01] <Alex> Slide 9: Per-hour IPv6 Statistics
[21:14:04] <Alex> Slide 10: Per-hour Region Breakdown
[21:14:09] <Alex> Slide 11: IPv6 users by Country
[21:14:27] <Alex> Slide 12: IPv6 users by Country/OS
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[21:15:33] <iljitsch> how does it make sense to wait for more ipv6 users before leaving it on on the servers???
[21:15:48] <sm> Chicken and egg
[21:16:04] <iljitsch> no, this is like the chicken retracting the egg
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[21:16:58] <Hugh Daniel> No slides?
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[21:17:39] <Simon ROmano> looking for them...
[21:17:47] <iljitsch> btw, anyone know what's up with arin? they've been distributing only a fraction of the IPv4 addresses they were giving out before in recent months
[21:17:54] <Mike Nelson> Is there a second telephone call-in number? The Italian number listed under Audio/Video doesn't work.
[21:18:05] <Alex> Sorry, these slides were not available on the ietf web page...
[21:18:23] <Hugh Daniel> rtsp://conf.meetecho.com/5551746.sdp
[21:18:28] <Lorenzo Miniero> Mike try the RTSP stream, it should be fine
[21:18:48] <Lorenzo Miniero> I'm using mplayer but VideoLan surely works as well
[21:18:50] <iljitsch> try with vlc, it works for me
[21:18:51] <hta> iljitch, might have something to do with them not getting any more?
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[21:19:17] <Simon ROmano> This slides are only available on google docs...
[21:19:45] <Michael Nelson> Thanks
[21:19:52] <iljitsch> hta: no, they still have 57 M normal and 75 M "legacy" that may or may not be all theirs
[21:20:07] <iljitsch> google docs and pots dial-ins...
[21:20:21] <iljitsch> what happened, is the IETF now about closed technology?
[21:20:40] <sm> WETF ;-)
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[21:21:53] <iljitsch> who were these people that cause 10% breakage? didn't catch that
[21:22:09] <Simon Perreault> "a certain south american network"
[21:22:23] <iljitsch> let them eat timeouts
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[21:23:22] <iljitsch> why the broken users in japan?
[21:23:29] <iljitsch> don't leave us hanging
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[21:24:06] <hta> interesting that broken did not go up when kddi turned on. so turning on has no effect (+ or -) on brokenness?
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[21:26:11] <Peter Past> Slide 4: W6D: Our contribution to fill v6 Space
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[21:26:38] <Peter Past> Slide 5: W6D: ISPs key areas to focus
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[21:32:48] <Alex> Slide 1: Cisco
 Enterprise
 Technical
 A
[21:32:53] <Simon Perreault> so nobody is "done" with the deployment?
[21:33:22] <iljitsch> nobody is "done" wiht IPv4, either.
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[21:33:43] <Alex> Slide 2: via
 hFp://www.cisco.com
 
[21:34:28] <Alex> Slide 3: Convincing
 our
 CIO…
 
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[21:36:05] <Alex> Slide 4: World
 IPv6
 Day
 Network
 D
[21:36:50] <Alex> Slide 5: $ dig short AAAA www.cisco.com! 2001:42
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[21:37:51] <Alex> Slide 6: What
 we
 saw…
 
[21:37:51] <Alex> Slide 6: What
 we
 saw…
 
[21:39:26] <Alex> Slide 7: Get your Free Dog Food T-Shirts!! (caref
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[21:43:11] <Alex> Slide 1: Thoughts from the IAB Privacy Program
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[21:44:41] <Alex> Slide 1: USERS AND PRIVACY
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[21:45:13] <Alex> Slide 2: Introduction
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[21:47:44] <Alex> Slide 3: Individuals’ Privacy Preferences and B
[21:47:54] <Alex> Slide 4: A classic privacy experiment
[21:48:34] <Alex> Slide 5: Privacy Attitudes
[21:49:02] <Alex> Slide 6: Identity-related results
[21:49:59] <Alex> Slide 7: Profiling-related results
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[21:50:13] <Alex> Slide 8: Lessons learned
[21:50:52] <Alex> Slide 9: What drives behavior?
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[21:51:47] <Alex> Slide 10: Obstacles
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[21:52:44] <Alex> Slide 11: Intervention and psychological response
[21:52:49] <Alex> Slide 12: A second experiment
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[21:53:34] <Alex> Slide 13: Experimental Treatment A
[21:53:36] <Alex> Slide 12: A second experiment
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[21:53:57] <Alex> Slide 13: Experimental Treatment A
[21:54:41] <Alex> Slide 14: Reading time analysis for EULA
[21:54:57] <Alex> Slide 15: Installation results
[21:55:55] <Alex> Slide 16: Improvement of notice experience
[21:56:05] <Alex> Slide 17: Experimental Treatments B
[21:56:22] <Alex> Slide 18: Installations per Notice
[21:56:48] <Alex> Slide 19: Regret
[21:57:25] <Alex> Slide 20: Lessons learned
[21:58:22] <Alex> Slide 21: Economic aspects
[21:59:07] <Alex> Slide 22: An experiment about money, security and
[21:59:31] <Alex> Slide 23: Experiment 3: Paying People to Ignore On
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[22:00:00] <Alex> Slide 24: Experimental Environment
[22:00:20] <Alex> Slide 25: Results
[22:00:50] <Alex> Slide 26: Security Behaviors
[22:01:33] <Alex> Slide 27: Price and Behavior
[22:02:11] <Alex> Slide 28: Security Perceptions
[22:02:52] <Alex> Slide 29: Lessons learned
[22:04:41] <Alex> Slide 30: Discussion points
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[22:06:16] <Alex> Slide 31: Complex process
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[22:07:39] <Alex> Slide 32: Papers:
[22:07:51] <Alex> Slide 33: Questions…? Contact: jensg@ist.psu.edu
[22:07:59] <Alex> Presentazione interrotta
[22:08:40] <Alex> Slide 2: Who We Are
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[22:11:24] <Alex> Slide 3: Some Definitions…
[22:13:34] <Alex> Slide 4: Principles of Fair Information Practices
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[22:15:37] <Alex> Slide 5: Applying privacy to information technolo
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[22:16:08] <Alex> Slide 6: From PC to Web 4.0
[22:16:49] <Alex> Slide 7: Challenges to Privacy
[22:17:49] <Alex> Slide 8: DPA Responses
[22:18:42] <Alex> Slide 9: Datenschutz Schleswig-Holstein
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[22:19:16] <Alex> Slide 10: IWGDPT
[22:19:51] <Alex> Slide 11: ICDPPC
[22:20:19] <Alex> Slide 12: ICDPPC
[22:21:05] <Alex> Slide 13: Article 29 Data Protection Working Party
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[22:22:06] <Alex> Slide 14: Article 29 Data Protection Working Party
[22:22:29] <Alex> Slide 16: Adoption of “Privacy by Design” Reso
[22:22:39] <Alex> Slide 17: Privacy by Design:
[22:22:58] <Alex> Slide 18: Privacy by Design Foundations
[22:23:13] <Alex> Slide 19: Message from Commissioner Ann Cavoukian,
[22:23:26] <Alex> Slide 20: Meta-FIPs  PbD
[22:24:06] <Alex> Slide 21: Privacy by Design
[22:24:31] <Alex> Slide 22: Privacy by Design: Recognition
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[22:25:50] <Alex> Slide 23: Conclusions
[22:26:21] <mrex> Privacy by Design means for IPv6 over NAT by default
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[22:27:27] <Simon Perreault> i seem to recall an RFC with "privacy" and "ipv6" in the title and it's on by default in windows, and now in os x lion iirc...
[22:27:53] <Alex> Slide 3: ??
[22:28:10] <Alex> Slide 5: ??
[22:28:43] <hta> 4941 Privacy Extensions for Stateless Address Autoconfiguration in
IPv6. T. Narten, R. Draves, S. Krishnan. September 2007. (Format:
TXT=56699 bytes) (Obsoletes RFC3041) (Status: DRAFT STANDARD)
[22:28:46] <Alex> Slide 6: ??
[22:29:24] <Alex> Slide 7: ??
[22:29:36] <Alex> :visited -- Attack
[22:30:34] <Alex> Slide 8: ??
[22:30:37] <Alex> CSS 2.0
[22:30:48] <Alex> Slide 9: ??
[22:30:49] <mrex> for privacy, IPv6 requires the same short-lived DHCP-assigned dynamic address through NAT as is currently used for IPv4 (home DSL subscribers)
[22:30:51] <Alex> CSS 2.1
[22:31:47] <mrex> with a static network prefix for a single customer, there is no privacy
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[22:33:55] <Alex> Slide 12: ??
[22:34:07] <Alex> Geolocation Privacy Considerations
[22:34:19] <Alex> Slide 13: ??
[22:34:24] <Alex> Takeaways
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[22:36:22] <Simon ROmano> These slides are brand new and were not published on the meeting web site :-(
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[22:37:41] <Alex> Presentazione interrotta
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[22:38:12] <Alex> just loading the new version...
[22:39:00] <Simon ROmano> Slide 19: ??
[22:39:09] <Simon ROmano> Tracking Protextion
[22:39:29] <Simon ROmano> Slide 20: ??
[22:39:37] <Simon ROmano> Tracking protection Lists
[22:39:41] <Simon ROmano> Slide 21: ??
[22:39:58] <Simon ROmano> Slide 22: ??
[22:40:07] <Simon ROmano> Do Not Track Header
[22:40:35] <John Doe> IE7Pro is an alternative
[22:41:01] <Simon ROmano> Slide 23: ??
[22:41:08] <Simon ROmano> Takeaways
[22:41:24] <Simon ROmano> Slide 24: ??
[22:41:31] <Simon ROmano> Presentazione interrotta
[22:42:17] <Alex> Slide 15: ??
[22:42:22] <Alex> IETF protocols can have privacy implications...
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[22:43:41] <Alex> Slide 16: ??
[22:43:49] <Alex> ... but whethet they do depends on implementations, deployment, and use
[22:45:04] <Alex> Slide 17: ??
[22:45:06] <Alex> Slide 17: ??
[22:45:08] <Alex> In the face of uncertainty, we build threat models
[22:46:03] <Alex> Slide 18: ??
[22:46:06] <Alex> Towards systematic privacy threat modeling
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[22:48:42] <Alex> Slide 19: ??
[22:48:45] <Alex> Scoping
[22:48:57] <Hugh_Daniel> Did others have meetecho time out on them at the 2h point and give them no "free" option to rejoin the meeting with out first subscribing to meetecho?
[22:49:49] <Simon ROmano> All Meerecho options are free here!
[22:50:49] <Alex> Slide 20: ??
[22:50:53] <Alex> Scoping
[22:51:16] <Alex> Slide 21: ??
[22:51:22] <Alex> Join the discussion
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[22:51:58] <Alex> Slide 22: ??
[22:52:00] <Alex> Slide 22: ??
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[22:54:32] <Hugh_Daniel> If you get thrown off meetecho, you have to go back to the IETF page and click on the meeting room grid item and start all over again (logging in etc.).
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[23:00:39] <Lorenzo Miniero> ;)
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[23:19:48] <mcharlesr> wow, but end users mostly don't do DNS lookups, so a bunch of ISPs have DNS servers with broken IPv6?????
[23:20:25] <simon.perreault> enterprises tend to run shitty resolvers
[23:21:40] <mcharlesr> you really have to try hard.... microsoft and bind9 do just fine when NS fail, they prefer the working ones. ...
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[23:24:16] <bz> So just for the record - we do have an IPv6only network, even here which doesn't allow one to reach most of the pannelists
[23:26:04] <simon.perreault> you mean even with whitelisting? that's sucky
[23:26:36] <bz> No, only G is whitelisted imho.
[23:26:51] <bz> But you cannot just go to FB, Y!, ...
[23:26:56] <simon.perreault> oh i thought all of them were
[23:27:03] <bz> Working on it maybe
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[23:27:52] <bz> It's just the argument "there is no ipv6only network without transition tech. out there" is lame these days
[23:28:40] <bz> I wish they would actually use v6 themselves:(
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[23:36:41] <Meetecho> Bye to everybody from the Meetecho Team ;)
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