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[22:23:27] mrex-ietf has set the subject to: Technical Plenary @ IETF 92
[22:24:36] <qin xiaowei> hi,goodmoring
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[22:25:32] <fenton> Is there a Meetecho session for the plenary? I can't find the link on the agenda.
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[22:26:19] <Meetecho> fenton: http://www.meetecho.com/ietf92/tech_plenary
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[22:26:46] <Meetecho> (answered you privately but I guess that didn't reach you)
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[22:27:08] <fenton> Meetecho: Thanks! (no, didn't get the private reply somehow).
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[22:28:34] <mrex-ietf> Meetecho (no additoinal jabber, requires flash player): Webinar Mode: http://conf.meetecho.com/video?s=international&r=plenary&c=8892045
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[22:28:43] <Bert Wijnen> you did answer me privately
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[22:39:22] <bortzmeyer> Awful WiFi
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[22:58:03] <mrex-ietf> 112Bits = 3-key-triple DES  that's awfully slow.  In the past you've either seen RC4 (nominal 128bit) or AES (128-bit)
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[23:00:02] <mrex-ietf> Many home routers and NAS see little, if any updates.  And are full of bugs.  Not to talk about internet-connected printers and webcams
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[23:01:52] <Eliot Lear> yep
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[23:08:08] <mrex-ietf> so called "SmartTV" have plenty of User Interface (40in plus screens), but they do not ask for user confirmation either, before they transfer massive amounts of data to broadcasters and manufacturer
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[23:10:08] <Thiago Marinello> the same for some modern vehicles
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[23:14:23] <mrex-ietf> planned obsolence as response to the software-update-issue?  That's what android vendors are currently doing
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[23:14:56] <mrex-ietf> Windows XP on Point-of-Sales terminal is still officially supported until 2019
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[23:23:19] <mrex-ietf> SNMP ?
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[23:24:01] <mrex-ietf> (as the protocol to control network attached devices)
[23:24:04] <Jim Fenton> I was thinking he wanted something akin to the Evil Bit.
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[23:33:01] <mrex-ietf> break middleboxes through use of TLS??  You mean the devices that perform pervasive monitoring or the filters that subvert net neutrality?
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[23:43:47] <mrex-ietf> we added support for unicode, but it seems that users from non-ASCII countries can not only remember things worse now, they can not even recognize it.  \u0041  is much harder than "A"
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[23:49:40] <John Klensin> Mic: Depends a bit on how and what one counts-- could easily be 100s
[23:50:33] <Jim Fenton> There are examples of similar characters in different alphabets that could be used deceptively - has been discussed as facilitating phishing.
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[23:52:11] <Ross Finlayson> An example of that (mentioned in a previous plenary, I think) is that the Russian top-level domain name ".ru" - when rendered in the Cyrillic alphabet - looks just like Paraguay's TLD ".py".
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[23:54:53] <John Klensin> @Ross: That is why Russia wasn't allowed to use Cyrillic "RU" but instead went with "RF" (I have no idea whether the Cyrillic chars would make it through these layers of interfaces).   Wednesday.
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[23:56:25] <John Klensin> @Jim, to paraphrase a conversation from the LUCID list, as soon as one starts talking about inter-script Phishing or fraud, one misses the point of this particular problem which involves same-script issues differentiiated by language, phonetics, or type of use.
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[23:59:28] <mrex-ietf> most of the middle-boxes deployed in companies are quite *ILLEGAL* throughout the european union.  They are *CLEARLY* illegal within Germany (a crime up to 5 years in prison)
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