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[01:29:17] <kadukoafs@gmail.com/barnowl52CAA27D> As always, please preface comments intended to be relayed at the
microphone with "mic:" or "MIC:"
[01:29:34] <Lucas Pardue> almost clicked the raise hand button in attempt to wave back
[01:30:11] <Dmitri Tikhonov> Audio is not coming in. I wonder if it is just my. Can one of you confirm that you are getting the audio?
[01:30:16] <Dmitri Tikhonov> s/my/me/
[01:30:25] <Lucas Pardue> audio works for me dmitri
[01:30:38] <Dmitri Tikhonov> Lucas: which browser are you using?
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[01:31:14] <Lucas Pardue> Chrome Version 61.0.3163.100 (Official Build) (64-bit) on Windows 10
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[01:31:59] <kadukoafs@gmail.com/barnowl52CAA27D> Is the audio issue being experience with the meetecho streem or the
standalone audio stream?
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[01:32:14] <Lars Eggert> in room seems ok
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[01:32:24] <Thiago Marinello> Audio is good here
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[01:32:34] <Martin Duke> my audio is fine
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[01:32:48] <Kyle Rose> Do we need to kiss the mic, or is it better in this room?
[01:33:02] <kadukoafs@gmail.com/barnowl52CAA27D> Kyle, always kiss the mic.
[01:33:02] <Lars Eggert> seems better
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[01:33:54] <kadukoafs@gmail.com/barnowl52CAA27D> Martin Thomson at the mic
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[01:34:01] <Dmitri Tikhonov> Chrome works. Thanks, all.
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[01:35:09] <kadukoafs@gmail.com/barnowl52CAA27D> Are people listening to the audio stream hearing Martin well?
[01:35:17] <Samuel Jero> Yes
[01:35:23] <Thiago Marinello> yes!
[01:35:34] <kadukoafs@gmail.com/barnowl52CAA27D> Okay, I guess I'm just suffering from poor in-room acoustics.
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[01:35:53] <Kyle Rose> It's a little echo-ey
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[01:36:54] <craigt> aspect ratio of the slides is off, but that's nit-picking. Squeezed into 4:3.
[01:37:34] <kadukoafs@gmail.com/barnowl52CAA27D> We had aspect ratio issues even with my 4:3-native slides in ACE.
[01:37:41] <kadukoafs@gmail.com/barnowl52CAA27D> But hey, projectors take HDMI input now!
[01:37:48] <Kyle Rose> We're testing compression.
[01:37:53] <kadukoafs@gmail.com/barnowl52CAA27D> Groan.
[01:38:07] <Kyle Rose> nyuk nyuk nyuk
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[01:51:47] <kadukoafs@gmail.com/barnowl52CAA27D> (https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/100/materials/slides-100-quic-sessb-quic-recovery-and-congestion-control/))
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[02:11:28] <sub@jabbim.cz> +1 for max ack delay
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[02:15:00] <Martin Thomson> I think that providing motivation for the value independent of the comparison might be easier for things like TLP
[02:15:14] <kadukoafs@gmail.com/barnowl52CAA27D> Probably.
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[02:17:07] <Lars Eggert> it's at -06, right?
[02:17:15] <kadukoafs@gmail.com/barnowl52CAA27D> That's what I see
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[02:27:00] <sub@jabbim.cz> transport parameters frame?
[02:27:22] <kadukoafs@gmail.com/barnowl52CAA27D> That would be a logical path if there is such a need.
[02:27:40] <kadukoafs@gmail.com/barnowl52CAA27D> But you wouldn't be able to engage them until that frame gets ack'd
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[02:28:42] <sub@jabbim.cz> ya depends on whats inside :)
[02:32:18] <kadukoafs@gmail.com/barnowl52CAA27D> Jana Iyengar up
[02:32:46] <kadukoafs@gmail.com/barnowl52CAA27D> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/100/materials/slides-100-quic-sessb-connection-migration/
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[02:37:46] <kadukoafs@gmail.com/barnowl52CAA27D> Sometimes the wi-fi is worse connectivity than the cell network.
[02:38:13] <Lucas Pardue> my corporate proxy (on Wifi) causes many problems
[02:39:30] <ted.h> Some of this is, sadly, not under the control of the transport; the data channel may not come up if the WiFi signal is strong.
[02:39:45] <ted.h> That tends to be a system tuning knob that is generic.
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[02:45:17] <kadukoafs@gmail.com/barnowl52CAA27D> Imagine that the cell connection  is the new 5G hotness but the
coffeeshop wifi is behind DSL :)
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[02:56:23] <kadukoafs@gmail.com/barnowl52CAA27D> I mostly assume that everyone talking also knows about the linkability
issue and is just deferring it as not immediately relevant.
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[02:58:41] <Martin Duke> The "new connection id" frame is an attempt to address linkability.
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[02:58:54] <Martin Duke> but that makes this mechanism more complicated to explain
[02:59:13] <kadukoafs@gmail.com/barnowl52CAA27D> Right, and you obviously should use the new connection id when you're
probing a new interface so I don't feel a need to say that at the mic
[02:59:24] <kadukoafs@gmail.com/barnowl52CAA27D> (especially when there's already four people in the queue)
[03:00:46] <Lucas Pardue> I'm confused at where connection migration fits into the WG works, is it part of the fourth focus area? Is it in scope for v1?
[03:01:25] <kadukoafs@gmail.com/barnowl52CAA27D> That might be worth asking at the mic; want me to?
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[03:01:44] <Lucas Pardue> sure
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[03:04:53] <Lucas Pardue> thank you, I'll wait for the answer
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[03:05:29] <Lucas Pardue> yes articulated very well
[03:05:37] <Lucas Pardue> given that HoL blocking :)
[03:06:22] <Lucas Pardue> +1 Brian, I find it hard to disentangle the two
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[03:10:46] <Simon Pietro Romano> Just for the logs (so not for the mic), what Brian has said at the mic is exactly what I've been trying to state on the QUIC mailing list since quite a long ago, indeed. If we discuss these things as part of the charter, we should definitely discuss multipath at exactly the same level.
[03:12:04] <kadukoafs@gmail.com/barnowl52CAA27D> An implementation would easily reset the CWND on the original path if
you hop over, probe, and hop back.
[03:12:10] <kadukoafs@gmail.com/barnowl52CAA27D> So yes, not good.
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[03:17:31] <ted.h> I think Daniel is right; this re-uses something that is well understood other places.
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[03:31:35] <kadukoafs@gmail.com/barnowl52CAA27D> Next agenda item!
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[03:34:12] <kadukoafs@gmail.com/barnowl52CAA27D> (The second implementation draft's page is up on the projector)
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[03:44:17] <meetecho> FYI to chairs, just in case they missed him: Martin Duke in virtual queue
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[03:45:10] <kadukoafs@gmail.com/barnowl52CAA27D> I hear mnot is good at pushing buttons
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[03:46:55] <Martin Duke> 2 things -- i concur with the basic 0RTT/LR/CC consensus ...
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[03:46:58] <meetecho> Martin Duke: could you see the level indicators moving while speaking? If not, the mic was not being captured, or was muted
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[03:47:34] <Kyle Rose> cue Jeopardy song
[03:47:34] <Martin Duke> Also, I have some code to drop specific pkts in a connection that I may be able to contribute
[03:48:50] <kadukoafs@gmail.com/barnowl52CAA27D> Issue discussion: header compression for http
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[03:51:18] <kadukoafs@gmail.com/barnowl52CAA27D> people who were already on etherpad: did you lose the etherpad?
people who were not already on it, please do *not* go test.
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[03:53:09] <ted.h> @kadukoafs it went wonky and moved some text, but I moved it back successfully.
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[03:53:27] <kadukoafs@gmail.com/barnowl52CAA27D> Ah, thanks, Ted.
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