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[00:52:00] <dtikhonov> So the intra-flight requests are dependent on each other; previous flight's entries are likely to have been inserted and ACKed.
[00:56:39] <brian@trammell.ch> #include <bht/rants/lets_declare_v2_for_november_2019_and_move_on.txt>
[01:00:03] <brian@trammell.ch> 'night, all!
[01:00:11] <ted.h> Night brian
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[01:00:22] <mnot> Taking lunch, back in approx. 1 hr
[01:00:22] <mnot> https://www.chinchinrestaurant.com.au/melbourne/melbourne-menu/
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[02:06:03] <dtikhonov> Of course, once QCRAM uses a single control stream, it loses its 10x HoLB reduction.
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[02:21:01] <ted.h> Reminder, please use MIC: in the jabber room for issues you want reflected to the room
[02:39:31] <spencerdawkins> MIC: just to be clear, the practice Martin didn't want to include in the document lest he condone it, was intermediaries, or specific kinds of intermediaries, or?
[02:41:27] <spencerdawkins> MIC: speaking as someone who is subscribed to the PATIENT mailing list, your AD would support what Martin wants to do :D
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[03:16:21] <Lars Eggert> what iana registry are these values in?
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[03:34:16] <Mike Bishop> No registry; RFC 7983 describes it, and updates some protocol-specific registries to constrain them to particular ranges.
[03:36:17] <igorlord> MIC: Completely agree with Ian
[03:51:39] <spencerdawkins> +1 Ted. Nice rant on one byte!
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[04:52:28] <ted.h> From a random Google search:  "Usually attributed to Damian Conway. Almost always in form "c++ tries to
guard against murphy, not machiavelli".
[04:53:13] <ted.h> With handy picture:  http://www.azquotes.com/quote/678702
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[05:42:06] <ted.h> Looks like we're done!  Check in with you tomorrow...
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[22:20:36] <igorlord> Is WebEx working for anyone today?
[22:20:45] <brian@trammell.ch> connected to it
[22:21:00] <brian@trammell.ch> but there's no way to bring up the audio
[22:21:44] <igorlord> Yes.  And no video for me.  That's what I am seeing, too.  Maybe chairs need to "host" and then it turns on bells and whistles...
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[22:27:00] <brian@trammell.ch> is anyone on jabber in the room?
[22:27:08] <dtikhonov> no audio or video here, either.
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[22:27:48] <brian@trammell.ch> somebody get mnot a bigger keyboard :)
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[22:28:52] <dtikhonov> Keyboards, like buttons, are better when bigger.
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[22:33:28] <ted.h> Greatings, mellow beings.  We are in set up mode; webex should arrive soon.
[22:36:55] <fielding> audio and video seem to be working now
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[22:39:01] <ted.h> If you would like anything reflected to the review, please use MIC: as a preface.
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[22:39:19] <ted.h> Interim notes: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hFyFkPJTp7KtUKKyrmVA97wDgeDY2SVW-NVV-G0zkCE/edit
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[22:43:28] <ted.h> Now on Ingemar's presentation
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[22:49:58] <brian@trammell.ch> "eat the mic" - wow it's just like being at a real ietf.
[22:50:07] <brian@trammell.ch> how are the cookies in melbourne?
[22:50:28] <mnot> We ate too much at dinner last night :(
[22:53:14] <ted.h> @brian  They are tim-tam slamming in one corner here.
[22:53:32] <mnot> Omg they actually are -- at 9:50am??
[22:53:40] <ted.h> @mnot with coffee, not port
[22:53:50] <mnot> heh
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[23:01:28] <mnot> Remote folks -- are you also losing audio from ingemar?
[23:01:53] <spencerdawkins> He's pretty clear to me.
[23:02:05] <brian@trammell.ch> he's pretty clear to me, too
[23:02:28] <mnot> He’s clear here when he’s talking, but he does seem to be dropping out a bit. Trying to figure out if it’s a problem on his end or ours.
[23:02:47] <brian@trammell.ch> okay, you guys just dropped out a bit
[23:02:52] <mnot> Ah, interesting. ok.
[23:03:04] <brian@trammell.ch> and completely
[23:03:07] <brian@trammell.ch> and you're back
[23:03:11] <brian@trammell.ch> and you're gone again
[23:03:18] <brian@trammell.ch> and you're back
[23:05:39] <mnot> I’ve disabled video from here to see if it helps
[23:06:11] <ted.h> @mnot does the webex go through a vpn, or is it being allowed by the local network?
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[23:06:25] <mnot> It’s being allowed, but I suspect it’s doing it over HTTP or similar.
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[23:06:37] <mnot> (So I suppose you could call that a vpn :)
[23:07:52] <igorlord> MIC: Is there a defense against ECN rewriting, where the path always rewrites ECT[0] -> EC?   (TCP says that if SYN/ACK comes back with EC, TCP handshake needs to be redone w/o ECN.)
[23:10:34] <ted.h> @igorlord sorry for the delay in asking your question, the delay in jabber is very jittery.
[23:16:45] <mnot> Are we dropping out more or less, or the same?
[23:16:52] <brian@trammell.ch> less
[23:16:57] <mnot> Good, thanks.
[23:17:44] <brian@trammell.ch> will search the web for pictures of people eating tim-tams to replace the video, no worries…
[23:24:26] <brian@trammell.ch> ...lars is a little quiet…
[23:24:48] <ted.h> He was facing away from the mic
[23:25:01] <Lars Eggert> sorry
[23:27:22] <brian@trammell.ch> +1 to do it all
[23:27:37] <ted.h> Did you want that reflected to the room?
[23:29:00] <brian@trammell.ch> just did it
[23:29:08] <brian@trammell.ch> (thanks, missed the Q)
[23:32:15] <spencerdawkins> I had stepped away for a moment, and saw a reference to ECT(0) and ECT(1) in Etherpad when I looked at what I missed. Everybody knows about us opening ECT(1) for different/non-drop responses (not treated as a loss), right?
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[23:46:56] <brian@trammell.ch> i'm also out.
[23:46:56] <brian@trammell.ch> 'night all
[23:47:54] <mnot> cya
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[23:58:55] dtikhonov wonders whether video will be turned back on
[23:59:54] <ted.h> @dtikhonov we're still on break
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