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[01:58:54] <Meetecho> Yes, the AV team is working on slides
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[02:02:45] <dkg> Ahoy ahoy welcome back to QUIC at IETF 106
[02:02:48] <dkg> i'm your jabber scribe
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[02:03:04] <dkg> if you want me to relay something to the mic, please prefix with "MIC:"
[02:03:09] <dkg> ekr at the mic
[02:03:27] <dkg> Cullen Jennings at the mic
[02:03:41] <dkg> mark nottingham is in the chair
[02:04:16] Vidhi Goel joins the room
[02:04:19] <dkg> we are moving datagram discussion to the beginning of extension discussion
[02:04:27] <dkg> Praveen at the mic
[02:04:47] <dkg> Praveen Balasubramanian
[02:04:52] <dkg> Jana Iyengar at the mic
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[02:10:03] <dkg> Zurich interim scheduled in early February
[02:10:19] <dkg> Christian Huitema at the mic
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[02:11:16] <dkg> Praveen Balasubramanian at the mic
[02:11:59] <dkg> Martin Thomson at the mic
[02:13:43] <Spencer Dawkins> For what it's worth, I agree with Christian about not deferring cross-area review, and with Martin's point about requesting early reviews from directorates.
[02:14:12] <dkg> spencer: do you want me to raise that at the mic?
[02:14:23] <dkg> that was just christian huitema responding to martin
[02:14:25] <dkg> Brian Trammell at the mic
[02:14:42] <dkg> Spencer Dawkins: if you do, please prefix it with "MIC:"
[02:15:24] <Chris Lemmons> Penultimate Call. :)
[02:16:11] <dkg> that was sean turner at the mic
[02:16:18] <dkg> this is Eric Rescorla (ekr) at the mic
[02:17:34] <dkg> David Schinazi at the mic
[02:18:06] <dkg> Jana Iyengar at the mic
[02:19:07] <dkg> Martin Thomson at the mic
[02:19:20] <Spencer Dawkins> Are we worried that the QUIC document set will be published as RFCs before we are ready if we request Last Call too soon? We should get over ourselves :-)
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[02:21:06] <dkg> David Schinazi at the mic
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[02:21:49] <dkg> https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3120
[02:21:56] <dkg> sorry, that's wrong
[02:21:57] <dkg> https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3014
[02:23:10] <dkg> now we're at https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3120
[02:24:22] <dkg> ekr at the mic
[02:26:52] <dkg> David Schinazi at the mic
[02:28:37] <dkg> Praveen back at the mic
[02:28:59] <dkg> David Schinazi
[02:29:39] <dkg> ekr at the mic
[02:30:16] <dkg> Chris Wood at the mic
[02:30:45] <dkg> Martin Thomson
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[02:32:46] <dkg> Kazuho at the mic
[02:33:33] <dkg> Martin Duke at the mic
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[02:33:50] <dkg> Martin Thomson again
[02:35:00] <dkg> Jana Iyengar at the mic
[02:35:34] <dkg> Martin Thomson
[02:36:21] <dkg> ian swett
[02:36:38] <dkg> ekr
[02:37:31] <dkg> christian huitema at the mic
[02:37:56] <dkg> huitema wants to remove the second option
[02:38:21] <Dmitri Tikhonov> I hum for A: no encryption, just the integrity check.
[02:38:22] <dkg> mnot proposes a 2-way hum: (a) integrity check with no encryption (b) integrity check, encrypted with a nonce derived from the connection ID
[02:38:28] <Nicholas Banks> Hum for no encryption
[02:38:42] <Chris Lemmons> Hum for the second option
[02:38:51] <Vidhi Goel> hum for no encryption
[02:39:21] <dkg> jana iyengar at the mic
[02:39:50] <dkg> ekr at the mic
[02:40:05] <dkg> ian swett
[02:40:13] <Vidhi Goel> which hum won?
[02:40:30] <dkg> praveen at tmic
[02:40:36] <dkg> Vidhi: it is unclear
[02:40:38] <Dmitri Tikhonov> MN said the hum was about even
[02:40:47] <Jonathan Lennox> Vidhi: Maybe slight preference for encryption, but pretty even.
[02:41:10] <dkg> martin Thomson
[02:41:42] <dkg> ekr at the mic
[02:41:48] <dkg> christian huitema at the mic
[02:42:06] <dkg> david schinazi at the mic
[02:42:52] <Dmitri Tikhonov> It does not have to be a coin toss, we can count votes.
[02:43:19] <Vidhi Goel> exactly, votes is better
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[02:45:21] <dkg> roberto peon
[02:45:29] <dkg> David Schinazi
[02:45:45] <dkg> ekr says his mind hasn't changed
[02:45:49] <dkg> mike bishop at the mic
[02:46:30] <dkg> christian huitema
[02:46:51] <dkg> praveen
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[02:48:01] <dkg> https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3094
[02:48:07] <dkg> Ian Swett at the mic
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[02:48:32] <Vidhi Goel> i have raised hand, i would like to speak
[02:48:45] <dkg> Vidhi: you're in the queue
[02:48:53] <dkg> vidhi, i'll make sure mnot sees it
[02:49:38] <dkg> vidhi, can you try again?
[02:49:41] <Chris Lemmons> No.
[02:49:46] <dkg> meetecho: do you know what just happened?
[02:49:47] <Chris Lemmons> Meetecho can hear you.
[02:49:54] <Bradford Lassey> can hear you
[02:50:07] <Bradford Lassey> actually audio is really good
[02:50:17] <dkg> meetecho: we lost vidhi three times here in the room
[02:50:22] <dkg> jana iyengar at the mic
[02:50:40] <Meetecho> I think Vidhi already tried a couple of years ago and couldn't get audio working
[02:50:46] <Meetecho> Vidhi Goel: did you try the self-test?
[02:50:54] <Meetecho> *sorry, years=days
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[02:51:05] <dkg> Vidhi is back in the queue here
[02:51:33] <Vidhi Goel> how do i do jabber?
[02:51:41] <dkg> vidhi i am happy to relay
[02:51:42] <Jonathan Lennox> Just type here what you want to say
[02:51:52] <dkg> just write what you want
[02:51:56] <Bradford Lassey> just say "Mic:" + plus what ever you want to say
[02:52:03] <dkg> i'll say it at the mic for you
[02:52:29] <dkg> that was eric kinnear
[02:52:39] <dkg> gorry fairhurst ay the mic
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[02:53:11] <dkg> roberto peon at the mic
[02:53:13] <Vidhi Goel> Mic: As Jana said, the pseudocode is a reference for implementations which don't implement pacing. This would provide completeness to the pseudocode for increasing congestion window"
[02:53:24] <Alan Frindell> Where does he work?
[02:54:04] <dkg> alan: Roberto works for Facebook
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[02:55:18] <dkg> vidhi (and anyone else), i'm happy to relay whatever you want me to say, you don't have to raise hands in meetecho or anything.  just prefix what you want me to relay with "MIC:"
[02:55:31] <Chris Lemmons> Yup. Thanks.
[02:55:33] <dkg> Jana at the mic
[02:56:01] <Alan Frindell> dkg: I know, so do I :)
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[02:57:31] <dkg> Jana again
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[02:59:06] <dkg> Martin Duke
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[03:01:20] <dkg> Gorry
[03:01:43] <dkg> Jana Iyengar
[03:02:11] <dkg> https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3244
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[03:02:58] <dkg> Martin Thomson
[03:03:49] <dkg> Ian Swett
[03:04:05] <dkg> Ian points to https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3161
[03:04:17] <dkg> Praveen at the mic
[03:05:12] <dkg> Mike Bishop
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[03:05:23] <dkg> Mike raises https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3265
[03:06:14] <dkg> Kazuho at the mic
[03:06:38] <Bradford Lassey> +1 to Kazuho
[03:07:09] <dkg> Patrick McManus
[03:07:26] <dkg> Martin Thomson
[03:08:05] <dkg> sorrry, i don't know this person, and they're not wearing their name tag
[03:08:13] <Alan Frindell> Lucas Pardue
[03:08:23] <dkg> thanks, Alan
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[03:13:11] <Bradford Lassey> If we're rechartering to be able to take up datagrams, can we fix the HTTP2 semantics part of the charter?
[03:13:44] <Alan Frindell> It's somewhat worrying to open H3 to generic HTTP feature improvements this late in the game
[03:15:25] <dkg> https://github.com/quicwg/wg-materials/raw/master/ietf106/IETF106-QUIC-Datagram.pdf
[03:15:30] <dkg> Eric Kinnear presenting
[03:15:47] <dkg> page 2
[03:16:48] <dkg> page 3
[03:18:04] <dkg> page 4
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[03:22:25] <dkg> Victor Vasiliev
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[03:28:46] <dkg> https://github.com/quicwg/wg-materials/raw/master/ietf106/QUIC_Version_Negotiation_IETF_106.pdf
[03:28:51] <dkg> David Schinazi presenting
[03:29:17] <dkg> page 2
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[03:44:50] <dkg> https://github.com/quicwg/wg-materials/raw/master/ietf106/QUIC-LB%20106.pdf
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[03:55:21] <dkg> Mirja Kuhlwind
[03:56:04] <dkg> Tommy Pauly
[03:56:23] <dkg> Eric Kinnear
[03:57:12] <Dmitri Tikhonov> Igor Vyshinsky (sp?)
[03:57:25] <dkg> Yep, thanks Dmitri
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[04:00:45] <dkg> https://github.com/quicwg/wg-materials/raw/master/interim-19-10/quic-interop-runner.pdf
[04:00:47] <dkg> i think
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