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Friday, November 14, 2014< ^ >
bortzmeyer has set the subject to: SAAG at IETF91: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/91/agenda/saag/
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[00:00:40] <Yoav Nir> OK. So does this apply only to standards bodies, or to vendors as well?  Is Microsoft violating my rights by not having RTL work on Office for Mac?
[00:01:37] <bortzmeyer> rbarnes : Indeed, censorship mechanisms have been studied and documented a lot (may be not in the IETF)
[00:02:19] <Yoav Nir> In fact, the unicode committee rejected some characters that were used by less than thousands of people.
[00:02:30] <rbarnes > bortzmeyer: yep.  we cited several of them in the IAB filtering draft
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[00:06:05] <Yoav Nir> Next Up: Richard Barnes about POODLE
[00:06:10] <Yoav Nir> "SSLv3 is dead"
[00:07:03] <Yoav Nir> "Can we kick SSLv3 off the web?"
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[00:07:35] <yaron.sheffer> Human rights of SSLv3? (sorry, still hung up on that one).
[00:07:45] <Yoav Nir> "Before & After Measurements"
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[00:09:28] <Yoav Nir> "Scanning"
[00:11:53] <Yoav Nir> "What did they upgrade to?"
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[00:13:32] <Yoav Nir> "Lessons"
[00:15:29] <Kathleen Moriarty> floor is shaking up here now too
[00:15:43] <Kathleen Moriarty> Sean laughing at the meme
[00:16:18] <Yoav Nir> OTOH the fallback dance is totally necessary to introduce new stuff.
[00:16:24] <Yoav Nir> "Epoilogue: RC4"
[00:16:44] <Yoav Nir> (horrendous spelling of epilogue - mine)
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[00:18:21] <Yoav Nir> Ryan Sleevi 2 mic
[00:18:25] <Yoav Nir> @
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[00:19:26] <kivinen> s
[00:19:41] <Yoav Nir> Ben Kaduk @ mic
[00:21:27] <Yoav Nir> Martin Thomson @ mic
[00:22:44] <Yoav Nir> Open Mic
[00:22:51] <Yoav Nir> Dan Harkins @ mic
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[00:24:09] <tlyu@mit.edu> the idea that protocols are apolitical is a fallacy
[00:24:26] <rbarnes > tlyu: +1
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[00:24:37] <Ben Kaduk> Do you want me to get up and say that, Tom?
[00:24:43] <tlyu@mit.edu> sure
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[00:25:01] <Yoav Nir> Mark Nottingham @ mic
[00:25:12] <tlyu@mit.edu> though i suspect the presenters are going to say approximately the same thing
[00:25:30] <Yoav Nir> Insisting that protocols enforce human rights somehow would make them political.
[00:25:52] <rbarnes > Yoav: i didn't get the impression that people were asking for that
[00:27:38] <avri doria> we should not research dangerous topics?
[00:27:45] <rbarnes > i represent the buggy whip manufacturers' constituency
[00:27:48] <Phillip Hallam-Baker> Stake holders: https://www.wholesaleclearance.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Vampire-Killer.jpg
[00:28:29] <Ben Kaduk> well, maybe I should go sit down now.
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[00:29:02] <tony hansen> we all live in layer 9
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[00:31:18] <Yoav Nir> that's the result of highly political discussion in the httpbis WG
[00:34:15] <tlyu@mit.edu> all designs involve biases, including political ones; it's probably better to be transparent about these biases
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[00:35:45] <yaron.sheffer> This transparency can degrade very quickly into outright hypocrisy, e.g. when a group of 95% vendors decide that "end users are our #1 priority".
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[00:37:01] <Yoav Nir> Or when vendors presume to speak for their customers, because the customers are not present in the working group
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