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richsalz has set the subject to: SAAG at IETF93: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/93/agenda/saag/
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[04:02:39] <hardaker> Howdy folks.  I'll be your jabber relay at the microphone.  To ensure that your comments to be relayed to the microphone are properly authenticated, please prefix your sentences with MIC
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[04:03:03] <hardaker> any other form of communication I'll deem as random network traffic not intended for the microphone.
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[04:03:35] <Kathleen Moriarty> Sure and this room has a queue for remote speakers, so Stephen may need help on that.
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[04:04:31] <hardaker> thanks Kathleen
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[04:07:46] <Kathleen Moriarty> I'll add it now
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[04:13:07] <hardaker> keychain slides for kent
[04:13:08] <hardaker> slide 2
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[04:18:40] <hardaker> can the remotes hear Kent ok when he turns his head away from the mic?
[04:18:48] <Kathleen Moriarty> yes
[04:18:52] <hardaker> thanks
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[04:18:57] <Kathleen Moriarty> thank you
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[04:22:37] <Kathleen Moriarty> Which can be updated - PKCS#12 that is
[04:23:05] <hardaker> as a reminder, let me know if you want that relayed.
[04:23:21] <Kathleen Moriarty> no, thanks
[04:23:21] <PHB> MIC: PKCS #12 is very complex. Not a resource I would recommend trying to follow.
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[04:24:12] <Kathleen Moriarty> RFC7292
[04:24:22] <Kathleen Moriarty> Maybe mic it then -
[04:24:32] <hardaker> which the rfc?
[04:24:33] <Kathleen Moriarty> It can be updated in the IETF
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[04:24:38] <hardaker> k
[04:24:41] <Kathleen Moriarty> Thanks
[04:24:42] <Yoav Nir> https://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/pfx.html
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[04:25:45] dkg has set the subject to: SAAG at IETF94: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/94/agenda/saag/
[04:25:57] <Yoav Nir> Sometimes it's better to start over. Make new mistakes
[04:26:02] <hardaker> yang data model for rfc 7210 key table presentation now.
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[04:26:42] <hardaker> slide 2 I think.
[04:26:45] <hardaker> "goals"
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[04:28:17] <hardaker> ospf authentication
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[04:29:03] <hardaker> key table yang model
[04:29:12] <hardaker> relationship with other modules
[04:29:38] <hardaker> comparison: configuration
[04:30:27] <hardaker> mapping
[04:31:09] <Robin Wilton> @Kathleen What was the RFC you referred to, please?
[04:31:27] <hardaker> (20:24:12) Kathleen Moriarty: RFC7292
[04:31:32] <Robin Wilton> thx!
[04:31:37] <hardaker> np
[04:31:42] <hardaker> comparison summary
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[04:32:31] <hardaker> summary
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[04:34:23] <hardaker> on the standardisation of cryptographic application techniques for IoT devices in ITU-T and ISO/IEC JTC 1
[04:34:50] <hardaker> slide numbered 1, which is the contents slide and is actually slide 2 in the pdf.   I'm going by corner numbers.
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[04:37:02] <craigt> iot
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[04:42:25] <wseltzer> What data are deemed non-sensitive?
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[04:42:39] <hardaker> slide 13
[04:42:59] <hardaker> as a reminder, if you want me to relay that (vs just jabber room talk), please prefix your statements with MIC:
[04:43:15] <hardaker> 15
[04:43:16] <wseltzer> thanks Wes, I'm in the room
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[04:43:19] <hardaker> 16
[04:43:26] <hardaker> ah, then you're on your own :-P
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[04:48:20] <hardaker> 22
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[04:49:33] <JeffH> and which cryptographers are involved in this effort?
[04:50:28] <hardaker> Jeff: if you wanted that relayed, let me know (but I think you're likely in the room too)
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[04:51:14] <JeffH> it was a rehtorical (sp?) question — I'm in the room
[04:51:16] <JeffH> thx
[04:51:24] <hardaker> :-)
[04:51:27] <Carsten Bormann> (Not for mic:) Are there any IPR disclosures with this presentation?
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[04:51:45] <Sean Turner> hannes just made my point - which ones are we supposed to adopt?
[04:51:51] <wseltzer> the Cryptographic Suits were involved
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[04:52:12] <JeffH> @wsektzer natch
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[04:54:33] <hardaker> back to slide 12
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[05:00:19] <Ben Kaduk> Stephen is a bit quiet (though still understandable)
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[05:01:13] <hardaker> "a holistic threat analysis of ipv6 transition technologies"
[05:01:16] <Ben Kaduk> Thanks!
[05:01:19] <hardaker> slide 2
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[05:02:03] <hardaker> 3
[05:02:41] <hardaker> hmmm...  now 3 numbered in the upper right corner.
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[05:19:02] <hardaker> marnew workshop
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[05:19:15] <Sean Turner> 1 ekr
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[05:20:36] <hardaker> marnew goals
[05:20:45] <Yuji Suga> Managing Radio Networks in an Encrypted World (MaRNEW) Workshop https://www.iab.org/activities/workshops/marnew/
[05:20:51] <Kathleen Moriarty> .25 EKR
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[05:21:46] <hardaker> scene setting sessions -> scope
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[05:23:19] <Ben Kaduk> (probably just packet loss local to me, though) Yes, it's back
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[05:23:21] <hardaker> trust models and user choice )privacy)
[05:23:31] <Meetecho> (y)
[05:23:32] седая борода finds the slide horrible to read
[05:23:35] <Kathleen Moriarty> my session has been fie
[05:23:37] <Kathleen Moriarty> fine
[05:23:47] <hardaker> sending data up/down for NM benefits
[05:23:49] <Kathleen Moriarty> slides are fine to read here ;-)
[05:23:53] <седая борода> He...
[05:24:10] <седая борода> Low, low contrast.  Bad for aging eyes.
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[05:24:36] <craigt> ...i'm sure green test would fix that ;)
[05:24:47] <craigt> s/test/text/
[05:25:09] <hardaker> transport layer: issues, optimization and solutions
[05:25:11] <Michael Richardson> are her slides uploaded, so that I can download them and be able to read them?
[05:25:25] <Kaoru Maeda> https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/94/slides/slides-94-saag-1.pdf
[05:25:37] <hardaker> application layer optimization, caching and cdns
[05:25:42] <Michael Richardson> thanks... was no link in agenda, but was in meeting materials.
[05:25:48] <nllz> https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/94/slides/slides-94-saag-1.pdf
[05:26:04] <Kathleen Moriarty> @Michael, my fault
[05:26:40] <Kathleen Moriarty> sorry
[05:27:01] <hardaker> he's now looking at the slides and not at the jabber room (I'm sitting next to him)
[05:27:14] <hardaker> technical analysis and response to potential regulatory reaction
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[05:28:17] <Kathleen Moriarty> :-)  That's okay.  I don't think we normally put links to the presentations int he txt agenda, just to drafts or other links that the presentation might be based on.
[05:28:35] <hardaker> "Ideas"
[05:29:02] <hardaker> ideas: evolving tcp leading bullet
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[05:33:19] <hardaker> minutes and report
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[05:34:28] <wseltzer> minutes at https://github.com/MaRNEW/Minutes
[05:39:15] <sftcd> late additional 1-slide pressie https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/94/slides/slides-94-saag-6.pdf
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[05:39:35] <Dan Wing> putting a FRAGILE sticker on a box causes it to be abused by shippers, too?
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[05:40:32] <whatdafuq> used to be that to send a firearm in a plane you had to put a special sticker on the sealed and inspected box. It was derisively referred to as the "steal me sticker."
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[05:46:39] <hardaker> privitives for condifential group communications
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[05:48:45] <PHB> Mic: on the group encryption thing, take a look at Matt Blaze's work on Proxy Re-encryption. There is a patent by another source that might be an issue but it expires in 2018.
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[05:49:23] <hardaker> PHB: still want that?
[05:49:31] <PHB> yep.
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[05:51:01] <sftcd> https://www.internetsociety.org/events/ndss-symposium-2016/tron-workshop-call-papers
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[05:51:07] <Michael Richardson> kudos to TLS1.3 and "TRON" conference.....
[05:51:16] <Michael Richardson> a really really good idea...
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[05:57:27] <Kathleen Moriarty> Thank you
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