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[19:02:21] <Danny Haynes> I am hearing an echo
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[19:04:56] <Chris Inacio> morning everyone.
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[19:05:41] <Adam Montville> Good morning
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[19:12:52] <Jim Bieda> +1 for GitHub!
[19:14:25] <Chris Inacio> want me to voice that?
[19:15:07] <Jim Bieda> yes
[19:15:29] <Chris Inacio> got you anyway
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[19:22:07] <Jim Bieda> For the record, Meetecho is awful.  This is my 10th reconnect since we started 20 minutes ago.
[19:22:42] <Kathleen Moriarty> @Jim have ou given the feedback to the meetecho team?  If not, you may want to try that now in case they can fix it
[19:23:00] <Kathleen Moriarty> we don't have a person in the room from meetecho at the moment
[19:23:13] <Jim Bieda> Not yet.  Will shoot them a note.
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[19:23:50] <Kathleen Moriarty> cool, let me know if it doesn't get fixed
[19:24:07] <Jim Bieda> I'll have plenty of time during my reconnect attempts. :)
[19:24:16] <Kathleen Moriarty> :-(
[19:24:47] <Adam Montville> I've had no issues on my connection, FWIW.
[19:25:14] <Adam Montville> Slides take a bit to materialize when they're changed, and they blur or pixelate intermittently though.
[19:25:30] <Jessica Fitzgerald McKay> My connection is staying up, but I cannot see anything in the room, and the slides are only half visible
[19:26:13] <Jim Bieda> Thanks.  Have had "slide freeze".  Audio drops.  
[19:26:27] <Jim Bieda> oops... there goes the audio again.
[19:26:40] <Jim Bieda> Maybe it's Dave?   :-)
[19:26:45] <Jessica Fitzgerald McKay> lol
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[19:30:23] <Jim Bieda> gotta reload now... back in a few
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[19:35:52] <Adam Montville> Who's talking?
[19:37:06] <Jim Bieda> I think it was Merike Kaeo - before my audio crashed again.
[19:37:07] <Chris Inacio> getting it
[19:37:19] <Chris Inacio> yes - but I'm going to get her to state it
[19:37:26] <Adam Montville> Jim is correct (inferred from comment about e-mail)
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[19:39:28] <Adam Montville> Slide pixelation is increasing in frequency for me.  @MeetEcho: Would it help if I stopped sharing video from my end?
[19:40:22] <Jim Bieda> I think dropping the video might help me too.  Uh, don't take that personally!  :-)
[19:40:41] <Jim Bieda> thanks!
[19:40:44] <Adam Montville> Ok.  Not sharing video now.  Maybe it will improve.
[19:41:00] <Jim Bieda> Can we drop Dan too?   :-)
[19:41:06] <Chris Inacio> :)
[19:41:16] <Adam Montville> Is that a comment about the chairs or... ?
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[19:41:36] <Jim Bieda> Not you man!
[19:41:53] <Jessica Fitzgerald McKay> :)
[19:42:07] <Jim Bieda> FWIW, this diagram is misleading to me
[19:42:29] <Chris Inacio> @jim voice that?
[19:42:31] <Jim Bieda> I think it needs to be fixed
[19:42:40] <Jim Bieda> Yes, please.
[19:42:41] <Adam Montville> It's helpful to say "mic:" before any comment you want read at the mic.
[19:42:45] <Adam Montville> ;-)
[19:42:54] <Jim Bieda> Ah... Thanks!
[19:42:55] <Adam Montville> Otherwise, we'd have Chris going mad.
[19:43:10] <Chris Inacio> yeah, I think we're 3 diagrams away from there now…
[19:43:12] <Jim Bieda> Sorry Chris!
[19:43:20] <Jim Bieda> We are.
[19:43:32] <Chris Inacio> honestly, I mostly agree with you, I think there are too many diagrams that aren't aligned in the document.
[19:43:41] <Jim Bieda> exactly
[19:43:58] <Jim Bieda> oops... gotta reload again
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[19:44:15] <Jessica Fitzgerald McKay> mic: there is some notion that the control plane functions may be handled by the protocol between provider and consumer. Neither diagram has really captured that concept.
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[19:44:41] <Chris Inacio> in line
[19:45:08] <Jessica Fitzgerald McKay> thx
[19:47:22] <Jim Bieda> thx.  that was it.
[19:48:04] <Chris Inacio> @Jessica?
[19:48:35] <Jim Bieda> yes
[19:48:38] <Jessica Fitzgerald McKay> I think they sorted my comment out, thanks Chris. :)
[19:48:47] <Chris Inacio> nancy says it could be either one
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[19:51:40] <Chris Inacio> diagram in appendix now
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[20:01:00] <Jessica Fitzgerald McKay> What line does Dan want to remove?
[20:01:25] <Jessica Fitzgerald McKay> never mind. . . Dave just answered me :)
[20:01:36] <Chris Inacio> :)
[20:03:03] <Jessica Fitzgerald McKay> so, if the protocol for exchanging data provides authentication, is that part of the data plane or the control plane?
[20:03:25] <Chris Inacio> mic?
[20:03:31] <Jessica Fitzgerald McKay> sure
[20:03:41] <Jessica Fitzgerald McKay> unless it is obvious to everyone else and one of you all can tell me? ;)
[20:04:23] <Chris Inacio> I think that was Nancy's point from the previous diagram and the big differences about how we got to that diagram
[20:04:23] <Adam Montville> I'd ask it, becuase I'd be assuming the solution at this point if I tried to answer Jess' question.
[20:06:01] <Chris Inacio> inline
[20:06:22] <Jessica Fitzgerald McKay> thanks, Chris!
[20:08:55] <Chris Inacio> np
[20:10:04] <Chris Inacio> can folks see that?  Dave is pointing to the data/control plane line in the middle and putting a box right in the middle of that.
[20:10:24] <Chris Inacio> above A and between the B & C lines.
[20:10:31] <Jessica Fitzgerald McKay> i can't see anything anymore. thanks for describing
[20:10:53] <Chris Inacio> welcome, well, assuming I'm doing enough to help…
[20:11:48] <Jessica Fitzgerald McKay> you're doing great, keep it up. :)
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[20:20:20] <Adam Montville> I just droped and had to log back in.
[20:20:30] <Adam Montville> What was that "good way forward?"
[20:21:05] <Jessica Fitzgerald McKay> My connection is flakey, but I think it is to have a design team for the information model?
[20:21:10] <Clifford Kahn> I'm on board for working on the endpoint identification problem.
[20:21:39] <Clifford Kahn> If the call is for others to help Dave organize the design team, I can help there.
[20:25:20] <Jessica Fitzgerald McKay> I think we need to think about the scope of our work. The charter is so broad, that it is hard to know how to narrow down our tasks. I agree with Chris that this may be causing issues with the information model and architecture.
[20:25:37] <Jessica Fitzgerald McKay> I will volunteer for the design team
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[20:33:25] <Adam Montville> Another drop - this time was worse than before.
[20:33:39] <Adam Montville> And, not seeing any shared video at this point.
[20:34:56] <Jessica Fitzgerald McKay> me either
[20:35:32] <lminiero> Adam Montville: just as a backup for slides, you can refer to the webinar mode for that http://conf.meetecho.com/video?s=kahili&r=sacm&c=8891142
[20:35:55] <lminiero> the small black box in the upper right part of the screen there is audio, which can be muted if you're getting it twice
[20:36:33] <Adam Montville> Yes that seems to work - thanks for the advice to mute.
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[20:43:46] <Adam Montville> Another drop.
[20:44:11] <Adam Montville> I think my local network is suffering
[20:44:18] <Jim Bieda> yep
[20:44:38] <Chris Inacio> think of it this way:  the drops make my job easier.  :)  but generally, I feel for you folks.
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[20:46:28] <Adam Montville> Can I get that webinar link again?
[20:47:38] <Chris Inacio> http://conf.meetecho.com/video?s=kahili&r=sacm&c=8891142
[20:47:57] <Chris Inacio> but I retyped that… so you can shoot me later if I fat fingered it.  :)
[20:47:57] <Adam Montville> Thanks
[20:48:08] <Jim Bieda> http://conf.meetecho.com/video?s=kahili&r=sacm&c=8891142
[20:48:10] <Chris Inacio> http://conf.meetecho.com/video?s=kahili&r=sacm&c=8891142  (copy & paste version)
[20:49:11] <Chris Inacio> Adam?
[20:49:34] <Chris Inacio> @adam milestones discussion
[20:49:42] <Chris Inacio> Can you get on audio?
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[20:51:06] <Jim Bieda> meetecho is still bad
[20:51:51] <Jim Bieda> adam had to switch to webinar mode. no voice.
[20:52:09] <Jim Bieda> Ah... there went my audio.  gotta reload
[20:52:41] <Jim Bieda> going back to webinar mode.
[20:56:25] <Clifford Kahn> What does "capability vocabulary maintenance" mean?
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[21:03:48] <Clifford Kahn> The schedule is not showing on my Meetecho
[21:05:13] <Chris Inacio> dec 2014 - requirements & architecture
[21:05:28] <Chris Inacio> jan 2015 - adopt arch embodiment
[21:06:09] <Chris Inacio> march 2015 - adopt capability vocab & adopt asset ID format & submit info model
[21:06:33] <Chris Inacio> august 2015 - adopt guidance format & adopt endpoint attribute format
[21:06:56] <Chris Inacio> nov 2015 - submit capability vocab &
[21:07:02] <Chris Inacio> ahhhh, slides taken away
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[21:09:41] <Kathleen Moriarty> Meetecho says the issue is likely connectivity.  Here is their response:
[21:09:46] <Kathleen Moriarty> yes, we read on the jabber room. We're monitoring and checking
constantly and everything looks fine for here, and is for most of
the remotes as well. Some in a few rooms (including SACM) apparently
are getting drops, that can only be blamed to the path between them
and Honolulu as we're not experiencing any connectivity issue on this
side. A few users, for instance, are getting "bleeding" video slides
that relate to excessive packet loss they can't recover from despite
our retransmission mechanisms.
As such, there isn't much we can do, except pointing to some of the
alternatives we provide. I already sent Adam a link to the webinar
mode which, while suboptimal, should hopefully be enough to allow him
to keep on track.
Sorry about this! We'll investigate such issues in better detail when
we get back to Italy.
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