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[08:10:00] <Kathleen Moriarty> I'm in now...
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[08:13:33] <cinacio@swissjabber.eu> hello all - I'm your (possibly) friendly jabber scribe, just let me know if you want me to mic something
[08:13:48] <Lisa Lorenzin> Thanks Chris!
[08:13:56] <amontville> Don't let Chris scare you off, he's always friendly.
[08:14:41] <Jessica Fitzgerald-McKay> I have never seen Chris not smiling. . . .
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[08:20:17] <Kathleen Moriarty> Name?
[08:20:29] <Kathleen Moriarty> Leif?  by voice recognition
[08:20:36] <amontville> Yes
[08:20:43] <Kathleen Moriarty> Thanks
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[08:23:11] <Kathleen Moriarty> I agree object security is important
[08:23:18] <cinacio@swissjabber.eu> mic?
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[08:23:34] <Kathleen Moriarty> sure... wasn't going to, but it might help
[08:24:04] <cinacio@swissjabber.eu> I think the time has passed…
[08:24:14] <Kathleen Moriarty> It's still on topic
[08:24:34] <cinacio@swissjabber.eu> ad hat off?
[08:24:54] <Kathleen Moriarty> sure for now... but if the draft looks bad in this regard, it may come back on
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[08:25:27] <Kathleen Moriarty> yes
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[08:27:42] <cinacio@swissjabber.eu> that was me at the mic
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[08:34:22] <Lisa Lorenzin> Mic: to the new question, I propose that a NEA Client could be either a Provider (if it publishes information directly) or a Collector (if it doesn't - e.g. informatoin is collected from it and published by the NEA Server) and which is environment-dependent
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[08:35:14] <cinacio@swissjabber.eu> in line
[08:36:16] <Jessica Fitzgerald-McKay> while you are up there, Chirs-- this issue may be more easily resolved if we uplevel the question, and work on integrating the role of the endpoint into the architecture
[08:36:37] <cinacio@swissjabber.eu> :)
[08:37:10] <Jessica Fitzgerald-McKay> since the endpoint could be the target of evaluation, or the provider of information, or both, sorting out where it fits in the architecture might help us figure out where "internal collectors" belong
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[08:40:56] <cinacio@swissjabber.eu> next time I'll manage to turn e.g. into "for example"…
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[08:43:47] <Lisa Lorenzin> strongly disagree
[08:43:51] <Jessica Fitzgerald-McKay> me too
[08:43:53] <Lisa Lorenzin> mic: this is an architectural question
[08:44:30] <Lisa Lorenzin> mic: the architecture states that boxes can hold multiple roles
[08:44:42] <Lisa Lorenzin> mic: i think we should include explicit language that a NEA client could be either/or
[08:44:57] <Lisa Lorenzin> Mic: since it seems this is not clear
[08:45:14] <Lisa Lorenzin> Mic: To Jim's point - yes, collectors do not need ot be providers directly
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[08:45:30] <Lisa Lorenzin> mic: and in many cases would not be, for scale
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[08:46:55] <Lisa Lorenzin> Mic: that seems like a great place to handle it - provide a brief example of NEA Client as Provider, and an example of NEA Server as Provider (but NEA Client is not)
[08:48:26] <Lisa Lorenzin> Mic: the formal definition can be in terminology, but the architecture must contain enough definition to be readable as a standalone document
[08:49:55] <Lisa Lorenzin> Mic: at the time, we agreed to hold off on the examples until the architecture stabilized
[08:50:36] <Jessica Fitzgerald-McKay> I can help
[08:50:41] <Jessica Fitzgerald-McKay> with the examples
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[08:51:35] <Kathleen Moriarty> So the issue here is definition in the terminology draft and the number of roles on a box gets handled in the arch. document, so we deal with the security issues there
[08:51:43] <cinacio@swissjabber.eu> you're making me earn my pay – shouldn't you folks be in bed?  :)
[08:51:50] <Kathleen Moriarty> LOL
[08:51:56] <Lisa Lorenzin> I should be in Yokohama. :-/
[08:52:10] <Adam Montville> You were invited ;-)
[08:52:10] <Kathleen Moriarty> If you think what I typed was already clear, no need to say it, but if it wasn't...
[08:52:37] <Adam Montville> @kathleen: I think that's the understanding here as well
[08:53:37] <cinacio@swissjabber.eu> sorry if that was my bad, wasn't sure and I agree with Adam, that does seem like consensus in the room.
[08:54:20] <Lisa Lorenzin> @adam: Sadly, "invited" and "has travel budget" didn't align this time.
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[09:15:30] <cinacio@swissjabber.eu> did something happen to the feed?
[09:16:06] <cinacio@swissjabber.eu> everyone left the room…
[09:17:41] <Brian Haberman> There may have been a meetecho failure.
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[09:18:07] <Meetecho> not aware of any failure, actually
[09:18:25] <Meetecho> let me look into that
[09:18:31] <sftcd> same thing happened in openpgp
[09:19:09] <Meetecho> yes, just seen that, thanks for pointing that out
[09:19:30] <sftcd> folks turning up back in openpgp jabber room
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[09:20:49] <Meetecho> from a quick look it may be more like an issue with the IETF jabber server though
[09:20:57] <Meetecho> but we'll investigate what caused this
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[09:21:15] <Meetecho> probably a s2s channel that broke
[09:21:19] <cinacio@swissjabber.eu> thanks, that's what I couldn't figure out, can you send the meetecho page link for paniced jabber scribes?
[09:21:44] <Meetecho> http://www.meetecho.com/ietf94/sacm
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[09:23:07] <Chris Inacio> sorry, the meetecho jabber link to IETF jabber broke, so all the remote participants left the IETF jabber;  I noticed, and meetecho is looking at it.
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[09:23:26] <Meetecho> Chris Inacio: yep, sorry about that
[09:25:13] <cinacio@swissjabber.eu> @meetecho since I joined late, I showed up in both now, so maybe something was rebooted already
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[09:27:37] <David Waltermire> Is the meetecho chat working? I couldn't see any updates for a while.
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[09:28:15] <Brian Haberman> @David: I think meetecho participants are starting to re-appear.
[09:28:17] <cinacio@swissjabber.eu> it works, but everyone who *is* in meetecho is no longer in the IETF jabber; unless they rejoin
[09:28:19] <Meetecho> the jabber connection between our server and the IETF's broke for some reason for a couple of groups and this resulted in users being kicked out
[09:28:39] <David Waltermire> ok.
[09:28:44] <Meetecho> although they may not have been alerted in the UI, which is a bug
[09:28:53] <cinacio@swissjabber.eu> which means that unless they drop and rejoin, the full chat won't show up here, but is in the meetecho chat
[09:29:17] <Meetecho> no the chat is synchronized
[09:29:30] <Meetecho> what you see here is the full thing: the actual room is on jabber.ietf.org
[09:29:51] <Chris Inacio> can someone remote who is only on meetecho jabber send a message?
[09:30:20] <Brian Haberman> @meetecho: I am connected via jabber.ietf.org, but I do not see everyone in the room who was there before the drop.
[09:30:39] <Simone Romano> I'm on Meetecho...
[09:31:01] <Simone Romano> Do you get my chat messages?
[09:31:06] <Chris Inacio> oh, it is synced, it looks like we lost a bunch of remote participants
[09:31:41] <Meetecho> yes, as I mentioned the meetecho participants got kicked out of jabber, but apparently they were not notified about that and so not all of them rejoined
[09:31:48] <Meetecho> media streams are still working fine
[09:32:04] <Chris Inacio> thanks for clearing the up.
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[09:32:17] <Meetecho> still investigating on what caused the issue though
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[09:36:22] <Chris Inacio> It's been real everybody.  Until Thursday.
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