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Wednesday, November 16, 2016< ^ >
Olle E. Johansson at IETF Berlin (GMT+1 DST) has set the subject to: stir at ietf96
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[00:37:41] <Eric Burger> It would be nice to have one!!!
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[00:37:47] <Eric Burger> Thanks Sean....
[00:37:54] <Eric Burger> Please....
[00:38:09] <Jonathan Lennox> That was m&m volunteering.
[00:38:13] <m&m> I'll be your jabber scribe.  Please preface what you'd like said with "mic:" Thanks!
[00:38:16] <Eric Burger> Thanks Mike!
[00:38:23] <m&m> Matt actually (-:
[00:38:40] <m&m> but I also get called Mark
[00:38:40] <Eric Burger> Matt - ah yes
[00:39:06] <m&m> slide: Thread Necromancy
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[00:39:59] <m&m> slide: Do we still need it?
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[00:42:00] <m&m> slide: Limits of in-band RFC7774bis
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[00:43:03] <m&m> slide: PASSporT and out-of-band
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[00:45:32] <m&m> slide: Basic STIR Out of Band
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[00:47:26] <m&m> slide: Obvious Questions
[00:48:32] <Eric Burger> gag
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[00:50:15] <m&m> slide: Components of an OOB solution
[00:50:41] <m&m> slide: Another Case: IP-PSTN Gateways
[00:52:41] <m&m> slide: … and its many cousins
[00:52:59] <m&m> slide: IP-PSTN-IP even? Sure!
[00:53:59] <m&m> slide: Well, let's not get carried away
[00:55:38] <Eric Burger> MIC: except for providing an easy point for pervasive metadata monitoring, why do we require a CPS instead of an end-to-end transfer of the PASSportT token, where we can use all of the IETF end-to-end integrity mechanisms to (1) deliver the token and (2) ensure its integrity?
[00:55:48] <m&m> Chris at mic
[00:55:54] <m&m> inline
[00:55:58] <Eric Burger> thanks
[00:56:54] <Eric Burger> but you stated that was a starting point... Both ends have Internet connections...
[00:57:59] <Cullen Jennings> Eric, I think the question was covered in first 10 min or so of talk, just scrub through thoses in the recording
[00:59:31] <Eric Burger> It's from the first 10 minutes that the assertion was made that both ends have Internet connections. Note that just because they have internet connections, it does not mean they could do end-to-end SIP. Even in North America, there are lots of times where an Internet connection is good enough for getting a small message related to a PSTN call I just got, but is not good enough for a VoIP call.
[01:00:11] <m&m> Henning at mic
[01:00:12] <Eric Burger> Otherwise, what Jon is saying is the CPS is unquestionably a "trust me" provider.
[01:00:18] <Cullen Jennings> There are a bunch of slides about how it could PSTN in between them. It could be IP to PSTN , PSTN to IP etc ....
[01:00:54] <Eric Burger> Cullen: all of those slides show PSTN in between *for the media*. The assertion is the CPS is Internet accessible.
[01:01:01] <Eric Burger> To both ends
[01:01:48] <m&m> just because they have internet access does not mean they have internet access *to each other*
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[01:05:36] <m&m> Robert at mic
[01:06:54] <Eric Burger> Thanks to Robert!
[01:06:58] <m&m> Jonnathan at mic
[01:07:20] <Eric Burger> Jonnathan gets it in one!
[01:08:49] <Dave Crocker> Mic:  If there is standardized naming of the actors, there needn't even be a rendezvous function, since the passport could be stored in the DNS under that (domain) name.
[01:09:22] <m&m> inline
[01:09:39] <Dave Crocker> tnx
[01:10:19] <m&m> Cullen at mic
[01:11:59] <m&m> ekr at mic
[01:13:18] <m&m> slide: Next Steps
[01:14:21] <m&m> Henning at mic
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[01:16:02] <Eric Burger> Aarg - lost audio.
[01:16:09] <Paul Kyzivat> me too
[01:16:15] <Meetecho> Eric Burger: actually all the streamers stopped
[01:16:22] <Meetecho> very likely a network issue in that room
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[01:16:23] <m&m> /-:
[01:16:25] <Meetecho> looking into that
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[01:17:25] <Eric Burger> yay!
[01:17:31] <Eric Burger> we're back
[01:17:45] <Meetecho> everything should be back now
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[01:19:18] <Janet Gunn> relaunched Meetecho and have audio again.
[01:19:42] <Meetecho> Janet Gunn: there was no need for that, it was a network issue in the room here
[01:19:55] <Meetecho> sorry about that
[01:20:11] <Janet Gunn> Well, I was not sure which end the problem was.
[01:20:17] <Meetecho> (y)
[01:21:08] <m&m> presentation: PASSporT Extensions
[01:21:19] <m&m> slide: twofold PASSporT extensibility model
[01:24:06] <m&m> Jonathan at mic
[01:24:26] <m&m> slide: Demonstrating extensibility
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[01:25:39] <m&m> slide: draft-petersen-passport-divert-00
[01:25:56] <m&m> cullen at mic
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[01:49:39] <m&m> presentation: draft-peterson-acme-stir
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[01:56:37] <Eric Burger> Eric is supportive, too.
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[01:59:42] <Eric Burger> hummmmm
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[02:00:21] <m&m> - - - - - meeting adjourned - - - - -
[02:00:23] <Eric Burger> By all, and thanks Matt
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