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[13:01:25] <jlcJohn> Is anybody remote getting usable audio?
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[13:04:20] <jlcJohn> I seem to be getting usable audio now via iTunes... how do I shut off MeetEcho audio?
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[13:04:31] <Michael Scharf> Meetecho works
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[13:05:20] <jlcJohn> Does that mean, "You don't!"
[13:05:24] <meetecho support> Hi, anybody having issues with Meetecho audio?
[13:05:27] <Lars> is the remote audio ok?
[13:05:47] <Michael Scharf> Meetecho audio remotely is OK
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[13:06:57] <Toby Moncaster> are we meant to be able to see the slides on Meetecho?
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[13:07:54] <jlcJohn> It's one of the icons top right.
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[13:10:08] <Michael Scharf> Indeed, in Meetecho I only see the middle of the slides - but this is not a major issue - it is enough to know the slide ;)
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[13:12:29] <Toby Moncaster> I can't see any part of the slides...
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[13:13:49] <scribe> draft-ietf-tcpm-rtorestart <http://tools.ietf.org/html?draft=draft-ietf-tcpm-rtorestart>
             Anna Brunstrom
             15 mins
[13:13:52] <scribe> we're on slide 1
[13:14:07] <jlcJohn> Toby: what browser are you using?
[13:14:16] <scribe> 3
[13:14:25] <scribe> (RTO Restart)
[13:14:31] <Toby Moncaster> Chrome
[13:14:53] <Michael Scharf> I also use Chrome (on Linux) and in principle it works
[13:14:55] <scribe> 4
[13:15:38] <Toby Moncaster> hmmm. No big deal I can use the online slide decks
[13:15:43] <scribe> i can talk to the meetecho guy when he comes back
[13:15:45] <Raffaello Secchi> I use Firefox on Linux and the quality of bothe audio/video is OK
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[13:16:07] <scribe> rom what i see from his screen, the slides are at an angle in the top right corner of what they stream
[13:16:14] <scribe> 5
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[13:16:31] <jlcJohn> I'm using Chrome, and see six icons and a recording "dot" above the video...
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[13:17:00] <scribe> 6
[13:17:42] <scribe> if anyone want me to relay questions at the microphone, i can do that
[13:17:48] <scribe> just indicate that you'd like me to
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[13:39:16] <Lars> * draft-ietf-tcpm-newcwv <http://tools.ietf.org/html?draft=draft-ietf-tcpm-newcwv>
             Gorry Fairhurst
             10 mins
[13:39:40] <Lars> we are running about 15 minutes behind time already, fyi
[13:39:53] <Lars> slide 1
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[13:40:03] <Toby Moncaster> VERY quiet
[13:40:07] <Lars> (status of ID)
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[13:40:23] <c> Can't hear speaker
[13:40:31] <Brian Trammell> how about now?
[13:40:37] <c> *much* better
[13:40:38] <Toby Moncaster> that's better!
[13:42:34] <Lars> 3
[13:42:46] <Lars> status of newcwv implementation
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[13:42:54] <Lars> (3 i think, slides don't have numbers)
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[13:43:40] <Lars> 4
[13:43:48] <Lars> example experiments
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[13:44:17] <scribe> 5
[13:44:28] <scribe> same title, but paced results
[13:44:48] <scribe> 6 current plans
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[13:47:19] <Toby Moncaster> name?
[13:48:25] <Lars> yuchung chen
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[13:50:58] <Lars> * draft-touch-tcpm-tcp-edo <http://tools.ietf.org/html?draft=draft-touch-tcpm-tcp-edo>
             Wesley Eddy
             10 mins
[13:51:15] <Lars> slide 1
[13:51:57] <Lars> 2
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[14:04:03] <Michael Scharf> @room: Regarding PS vs. EXP: Basically, the same constraints like in the last meeting apply (running code). But this can be sorted out before WGLC
[14:04:15] <scribe> want me to relay at the mike?
[14:04:18] <Toby Moncaster> question/comment: It would seem that the interactions is one reason why this should be experimental
[14:04:19] <Michael Scharf> yes
[14:05:35] <jlcJohn> Hum for adoption
[14:06:13] <scribe> almost 20 in favro in the room
[14:06:18] <scribe> zero against
[14:06:32] <scribe> * draft-zimmermann-tcpm-reordering-detection <http://tools.ietf.org/html?draft=draft-zimmermann-tcpm-reordering-detection>
           * draft-zimmermann-tcpm-reordering-reaction <http://tools.ietf.org/html?draft=draft-zimmermann-tcpm-reordering-reaction>
             Alexander Zimmermann
             10 mins
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[14:06:50] <scribe> slide 1
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[14:23:02] <scribe> consensus call on whether solving reordering is important
[14:23:05] <Michael Scharf> as chair: I disagree that the working group is ready to work in reordering. We need a workable solution (draft) first
[14:23:15] <scribe> (i.e., not based on this specific draft yet, just the problemn)
[14:23:21] <scribe> raise your jabber hands
[14:23:29] <Michael Scharf> Yes, we don't adopt problems
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[14:24:46] <jlcJohn> (I do not support the consensus call as stated above.)
[14:25:56] <Michael Scharf> IMHO we don't need a consensus call for the first question (problem statement).
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[14:26:59] <c> hear hear
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[14:32:28] <Mirja> +1
[14:32:31] <Mirja> +1
[14:32:31] <Michael Scharf> For the record: I disagree
[14:32:32] <craigt> +1
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[14:34:15] <jlcJohn> (I disagree that "make more robust" is a clear enough goal.)
[14:34:17] <Lars> * draft-zimmermann-tcpm-undeployed <http://tools.ietf.org/html?draft=draft-zimmermann-tcpm-undeployed>
             Alexander Zimmermann
             5 mins
[14:34:54] <Lars> slide 2
[14:35:35] <Lars> 3
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[14:36:11] <Michael Scharf> Yes, the call is not clear. We can't add a charter item based on what was discussed so far, at least in my view as individual contributor. We don't know the exact scope of that charter item. Nobody will disagree that improving reordering behavior in principle is a bad idea.
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[14:39:13] <Mirja> could have a charter item on analyzing the sources of reordering
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[14:39:45] <scribe> * draft-nishida-tcpm-apaws <http://tools.ietf.org/html?draft=draft-nishida-tcpm-apaws>
             Yoshifumi Nishida
             15 mins
[14:40:03] <Michael Scharf> @Mirja: That probably would be TSVWG
[14:40:33] <Mirja> maybe
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[14:40:41] <Michael Scharf> (the sources of reordering are in most cases not TCP-specific)
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[14:40:56] <Toby Moncaster> It sounds to me like this would be quite a big extension, not a minor extension. as such it would be rather pushing the scope of the WG...
[14:41:08] <Mirja> that true but often thy are only a problem for tcp or at least reliable protocols
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[14:42:05] <Brian Trammell> so there's a need to be more robust in the face of increasing reordering
[14:42:34] <Brian Trammell> different transport protocols suffer from reordering differently
[14:42:42] <Mirja> delay-based congestion control might also use timestamps
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[14:43:23] <scribe> slide 5
[14:43:27] <scribe> (sorry for slacking)
[14:43:57] <Brian Trammell> anything that can look like SOCK_STREAM is impacted similarly. whether that happens in tcpm or tsvwg is (at least for me) not important. anyway, i'm on the last topic now so i'll take it to the list.
[14:44:52] <Mirja> on reordering again: maybe the analyses would be good in taps
[14:45:09] <craigt> Thanks LArs: Same point BBC
[14:45:51] <scribe> 6
[14:48:32] <scribe> 7 Discussions (2)
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[14:51:04] <scribe> 8 Discussions (3)
[14:52:23] <scribe> 9 Signaling With non-SYN Segments
[14:53:09] <scribe> 10 Loose Synchronization in A-PAWS
[14:53:57] <scribe> 11 Signaling Using non-SYN Segments
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[14:54:55] <Lars> 12 A-PAWS Signaling Example (1)
[14:55:36] <Lars> 14 A-PAWS Signaling Example (3)
[14:55:52] <jlcJohn> (Is anybody watching the clock?)
[14:56:52] <Lars> 15 Conclusion
[14:57:41] <Lars> well, the chair should...
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[14:59:44] <Lars> * draft-kuehlewind-tcpm-accurate-ecn <http://tools.ietf.org/html?draft=draft-kuehlewind-tcpm-accurate-ecn>
             Bob Briscoe
             15 mins
[14:59:47] <Lars> SLIDE 1
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[15:00:15] <Lars> 2
[15:00:32] <jlcJohn> Ah, PDF issues...
[15:01:51] <Lars> so bob has 18 slides for 15 minutes. bets are now taken for which slide we'll be on what the timer expires :-)
[15:02:01] <Lars> 3
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[15:02:37] <Michael Scharf> feel free to remark bob of the challenge ;)
[15:02:58] <Toby Moncaster> what's more he has 3 presentations. So he'll think he can trade time with his own presentations :)
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[15:03:06] <Michael Scharf> Yep
[15:04:00] <Mirja> (he promised my to be quick...)
[15:04:07] <Mirja> s/my/me/
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[15:15:19] <Brian Trammell> who had slide 11 in the pool?
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[15:19:55] <Mirja> mic: would it be possible to adapt the ack arte dynmaically in rthose situations?
[15:20:45] <Mirja> s/arte/rate/
[15:22:31] <Mirja> yes
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[15:25:22] <Toby Moncaster> now 5 minutes for 2 presentations?
[15:26:32] <Toby Moncaster> oooh, PDF conversion did not work well on these slides!
[15:27:29] <Alexander Zimmermann> Unfortunately yes. Time MGMT wasn't so good today
[15:28:25] <Michael Scharf> No IETF WG guarantees that all presentations will get time...
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[15:32:10] <Toby Moncaster> No code yet, but will be coming soon
[15:32:34] <Alexander Zimmermann> last presentation
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