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[12:19:44] dhruvdhody has set the subject to: IETF 107 (Virtual Meeting)
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[12:53:43] <Joel Halpern> Is the etherpad link from the datatracker page the right one?  It has no template in it?
[12:58:12] <Joel Halpern> Found it.  
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[13:05:04] <Jari Arkko> If others need the etherpad link, it is here: https://etherpad.ietf.org:9009/p/notes-ietf-107-teas
[13:05:44] <Lou Berger> Slides: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2020-teas-01/session/teas
Etherpad: https://etherpad.ietf.org:9009/p/notes-ietf-107-teas
[13:06:23] <Lou Berger> Reminder webex chat is only for session info and queue control: Virtual Queue Control via Webex Chat: Type "+q" and "-q" to enter/leave
[13:07:45] <aretana> @Lou:  there’s a lot more people just on WedEx than here on Jabber…maybe send that reminder on WebEx as well...
[13:09:02] <Lou Berger> did earlier - does it now show in history
[13:09:21] <Lou Berger> not show...?
[13:10:00] <aretana> Not in mine...
[13:11:44] <Lou Berger> just resent
[13:11:58] <aretana> I saw it now. :-)
[13:12:15] <Lou Berger> thanks for letting me know
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[13:31:34] <Lou Berger> @joel are you asking to talk now or just first in line in discussion
[13:33:06] <Joel Halpern> Just to be at the front of the line in discussion.
[13:33:16] <Lou Berger> gotcha
[13:33:22] <Joel Halpern> I have to leave at 10, and have serious concerns about the definitions draft.
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[13:47:59] <Jari Arkko> "soft and softer" :-)
[13:48:16] <adrianfarrel> For those who can't see me in Webex, I'm applauding Joel
[13:48:25] <Lou Berger> ;-)
[13:51:35] <Joel Halpern> Thanks Adrian.
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[14:28:42] <adrianfarrel> I'm getting very confused by everyone talking about "transport networks" and "transport slices". Is this something coming out of 3GPP?
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[14:29:06] <adrianfarrel> Seems to me that we (for example, ACTN) went through a lot to clarify that "transport network" was sub-IP
[14:29:17] <adrianfarrel> ...maybe even sub-MPLS
[14:31:39] <Joel Halpern> "Transport Network" is the industry terminology for the network that connects the radio (and related gear) to the packet core (and related gear).
[14:32:03] <Joel Halpern> It is indeed a different usage.  I wish it were not overloading.  But they didn't ask me.
[14:32:47] <Joel Halpern> Which part it refers to in a fixed access network is even less clear.
[14:33:21] <dhruvdhody> I guess 3GPP does use transport d, it is mainly to differentiate with RAN slices and Core network slices
[14:33:33] <dhruvdhody> hit enter too soon
[14:34:47] <dhruvdhody> i meant that it might be coming from 3GPP in some way, we need to define this VERY clearly otherwise it would be a pain
[14:39:54] <adrianfarrel> I understand why 3GPP uses the term. I don't understand why we use the term. We could talk about 'Foobar slices' and add one line that says "In the 3GPP, the term 'Transport Slice' is used for what we call a 'Foobar Slice'."
[14:40:18] <adrianfarrel> We *already* have two definitions of "transport" in the IETF. We really don't need three
[14:42:03] <dhruvdhody> Valid comment, wonder what would be *foobar* for you!
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[14:59:00] <adrianfarrel> Well, I picked "foobar' in order to not jump immediately to a strawman solution. I think we are talking about providing slices as a service across the Internet. Same level of entry as a VPN: that is, the consumer provides a packet stream to the service entry point, and expects the packets to be delivered to the service exit point. Obviously, the consumer of the service may see the service as a transport (cf. pseudowires), but we would be 'alarmed' to hear a L3VPN described as a 'transport VPN.'
[14:59:35] <suehares> Dhruv - why did feel the generic model was not useful to augment?
[14:59:43] <suehares> Your presenter did a hand-wave?
[15:00:02] <dhruvdhody> Refer the last slides in the slide deck
[15:00:13] <dhruvdhody> i am not sure she would be able to get to it
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[15:01:34] <dhruvdhody> we faced two issues one with hierarchy and second about how to map a genric endpoint as an augmentation of the termination-point
[15:01:37] <suehares> If you are are customer level - then why are you not augmenting the customer level.
[15:01:54] <suehares> The customer level is a different level and you are not providing that informationin that slide.
[15:02:15] <suehares> The last slide shows misunderstsanding of the basic network topology model.
[15:02:20] <suehares> What you do want me to do?
[15:02:40] <suehares> Or take this off line with the co-authors...
[15:02:49] <dhruvdhody> i guess we can continue the discussion on the list
[15:03:11] <dhruvdhody> thats always the right answer i guess :)
[15:03:37] <suehares> it is formal requirement - but I wanted to offer the ofline.
[15:04:01] <dhruvdhody> what works best for you sue!
[15:04:20] <dhruvdhody> Good discussion! Be safe folks!
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[15:04:37] <Julien M> Be safe as well. Bye.
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[15:06:00] <Lou Berger> thanks all!
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