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[19:17:49] danny joins the room
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[19:23:02] <danny> Hi Tal
[19:23:07] <talmizrahi> Hi Danny
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[19:23:45] <Karen O'Donoghue> hi
[19:23:47] <talmizrahi> Danny, can you hear us?
[19:23:47] <Karen O'Donoghue> audio ok?
[19:24:06] <danny> yes
[19:25:14] <danny> If someone would fund me maybe I would show up in person and you wouldn't need this room
[19:25:52] <Karen O'Donoghue> i think Harlan is trying to join
[19:28:03] <danny> no response from him
[19:30:18] <danny> I pointed Harlan to a different IM client
[19:33:02] <Karen O'Donoghue> thanks
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[19:49:53] <Karen O'Donoghue> hi harlan!
[19:50:16] <stenn> only took 45 minutes and a few download attempts...
[19:50:42] <danny> oh, there you are
[19:50:49] <danny> too many different channels
[19:50:51] <stenn> :)
[19:58:16] <danny> yes
[19:58:45] <Karen O'Donoghue> question?
[19:58:51] <danny> no
[19:58:52] <Karen O'Donoghue> sorry i was distracted...
[19:59:02] <danny> me too
[19:59:21] <Brian Haberman> Keep up, Danny. :)
[20:07:28] <stenn> Several of us discussed an "internet profile" for PTP to address some of these issues.
[20:08:08] <stenn> I('d love to see NTF work with folks to hash these issues out with PTP.
[20:08:22] <Karen O'Donoghue> right… i think this is that profile… if you had that discussion at ispcs
[20:08:45] <stenn> that was a chat, nothing like "let's actuially talk about it and have a spec"
[20:09:28] <Karen O'Donoghue> right, so Doug, Heiko, and a few others from that meeting decided to do it and this is the resulting effort… getting your NTF folks involved would be a bonus
[20:09:38] <stenn> cool, thanks!
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[20:13:58] <Karen O'Donoghue> can you still here him?
[20:14:03] <stenn> yes
[20:23:47] <stenn> what happens if the bad guy blasts packets, so the +/- 1 "slack" on the packets gets exceeded?
[20:27:03] <stenn> thx karen...
[20:28:32] <stenn> at some point it becomes better to have a good on-board clock so we can weed-out bad guys sending bad time packets.
[20:31:39] <Karen O'Donoghue> welcome Danny! (as a co-author)
[20:32:00] <stenn> +1
[20:32:15] <danny> :)
[20:32:28] <stenn> is this possibly going to affect ntpv4 or is this a V5
[20:32:33] <danny> +1
[20:32:37] <stenn> thing.
[20:32:45] <danny> v4
[20:32:58] <stenn> that may berak backward compatibility.
[20:33:00] <danny> can't do V5 without a lot more work
[20:33:41] <Karen O'Donoghue> audio?
[20:33:46] <stenn> I can hear
[20:33:57] <danny> otherwise I would add additional parts to the base packet
[20:33:59] <Karen O'Donoghue> ok… Dieter is really soft...
[20:34:10] <danny> I hear him well
[20:34:31] <danny> the goal is not to break backward compatibility
[20:34:48] <stenn> good goal - not breaking backward stuff.
[20:34:54] <danny> :)
[20:35:06] <Karen O'Donoghue> and… yes, it may break backward compatibiity for autokey… we need to explore this further…
[20:35:17] <stenn> yes
[20:35:22] <Karen O'Donoghue> it would be a replacement for autokey… but could it be used with ntp
[20:35:41] <Karen O'Donoghue> have you guys been reading the drafts?
[20:35:43] <danny> hence the need for unknown extension field processing
[20:35:54] <Karen O'Donoghue> (autokey drafts?)
[20:36:05] <danny> not the latest yet
[20:36:08] <stenn> I have not had enough time to study them properly.
[20:36:13] <danny> I'm so swamped
[20:36:43] <stenn> karen, I'd like to fill you in on status offline.
[20:36:59] <Karen O'Donoghue> ok… next week (not this…)
[20:37:05] <stenn> 'k
[20:37:05] <Karen O'Donoghue> speaking of swamped...
[20:37:31] <danny> there are 'gators in this swamp
[20:37:50] <Karen O'Donoghue> would trying to reconvene the design team help?
[20:38:14] <Karen O'Donoghue> it is really hard to get all you on a call at the same time given the time zone spread.
[20:38:26] <stenn> I'm working ~105 hours/week still.  Gotta get funding and release 4.2.8 and ...
[20:38:38] <danny> slacker
[20:38:59] <stenn> :) I'm being conservative on the hours, it's actually closer to 110.
[20:39:24] <Karen O'Donoghue> That still leaves 58!
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[20:41:07] <danny> what's the meaning of the timeout given you don't necessarily agree on the time in the first place
[20:42:31] <danny> groupmode introduces additional complexity
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[20:42:47] <stenn> this may be a case of absolute v. relative timestamps.
[20:50:19] <stenn> if somebody would be so kind as to ask Kevin to email me (stenn@nwtime.org) I'd appreciate it.
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[20:51:28] <stenn> never mind - I found him.
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