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[12:31:48] <Eran Messeri> Hi
[12:31:54] <Eran Messeri> I can see you
[12:32:00] <alessandro amirante> hi Eran
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[12:56:46] <Eran Messeri> Melinda, say something so we know audio works?
[12:57:05] <alessandro amirante> is it working?
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[12:57:29] <Eran Messeri> I still can't hear anything
[12:57:42] <Phill > nothing being said
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[12:57:52] <Eran Messeri> I can now
[12:58:06] <wseltzer> I'll be your jabber relay. Please put MIC in front of comments you want relayed to the room.
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[13:00:38] <wseltzer> slide: agenda
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[13:01:04] <wseltzer> [status update]
[13:01:26] <alessandro amirante> is Meetecho audio OK?
[13:01:31] <Eran Messeri> yes for me
[13:01:32] <wseltzer> https://tools.ietf.org/agenda/90/slides/slides-90-trans-4.pdf
[13:01:41] <alessandro amirante> I can raise the volume if it is too low...
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[13:03:03] <wseltzer> 3 independent hands
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[13:06:13] <wseltzer> https://tools.ietf.org/agenda/90/slides/slides-90-trans-0.pdf
[13:06:19] <wseltzer> [Ticket 4]
[13:07:10] <wseltzer> [Ticket 8]
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[13:09:45] <wseltzer> [Ticket 10]
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[13:10:32] <wseltzer> [Tickets 13, 19]
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[13:14:37] <wseltzer> Steve Kent at the mic
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[13:17:51] <paulwouters> (can people hear ben over the audio ?)
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[13:18:36] <Cat Okita> (Yes, ben is clear)
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[13:34:46] <wseltzer> [Ticket 25]
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[13:38:40] <wseltzer> [Ticket 15]
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[13:39:57] <wseltzer> https://tools.ietf.org/agenda/90/slides/slides-90-trans-2.pdf
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[13:40:20] <wseltzer> [slide 2]
[13:42:43] <wseltzer> [Gossip]
[13:43:58] <wseltzer> Steve Kent
[13:45:50] <wseltzer> [How do clients Gossip?]
[13:47:07] <wseltzer> [Which STHs?]
[13:47:32] <wseltzer> Leif J
[13:48:31] <wseltzer> PHB
[13:49:41] <wseltzer> Linus
[13:50:58] <wseltzer> Leif
[13:52:02] <wseltzer> [Should we gossip anything else?]
[13:52:26] <wseltzer> [DNS Inclusion proof]
[13:52:32] <wseltzer> [Private Domain Labels]
[13:53:47] <wseltzer> Steve
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[13:55:04] <wseltzer> Wes Hardaker
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[13:55:39] <Cat Okita> MIC: Is that "internal domains" or "internal hostnames" -- this wouldn't handle "internal domains" [eg: <companyname-internal>.com vs <companyname>.com)
[13:56:22] <Cat Okita> This is much the same question as Wes just brought up, I think.
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[13:56:58] <wseltzer> Cat, do you still want me to say that (or something in follow-up)?
[13:57:14] <Eran Messeri> (small clarification: Chrome already allows specifying logs in the command line)
[13:57:22] <Cat Okita> Just as a follow-up, please.  There's a lot of enterprise networks with internal naming
[13:57:31] <wseltzer> Rick Andrews
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[13:59:16] <wseltzer> DKG
[14:00:56] <wseltzer> Wes Hardaker
[14:01:04] <Cat Okita> Thanks.  It's the same issue about having internal/private domains.
[14:01:36] <wseltzer> [Client Behaviour]
[14:02:34] <wseltzer> Steve
[14:02:51] <wseltzer> [Client Behaviour 2]
[14:05:04] <wseltzer> Paul Hoffman
[14:06:26] <Eran Messeri> Melinda, I'd like to make a comment once the mic queue has finished
[14:06:52] <wseltzer> Steve
[14:07:22] <wseltzer> Eran, are you still on audio?
[14:07:50] <wseltzer> (mic line empty)
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[14:08:45] <Eran MEsseri> I am now
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[14:09:23] <Eran MEsseri> Let me know when
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[14:10:46] <wseltzer> Steve
[14:10:57] wseltzer Eran, after Steve
[14:11:34] wseltzer we can't hear you
[14:11:48] <wseltzer> Leif
[14:11:57] <alessandro amirante> sorry eran, I muted you
[14:12:02] <alessandro amirante> you can try to speak now
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[14:12:12] <wseltzer> PHB
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[14:12:28] <wseltzer> Steve
[14:12:45] <Eran Messeri> ok, let me know when (again :)
[14:12:54] wseltzer Eran, try again after Steve, again
[14:13:01] <Eran Messeri> ok
[14:13:01] <alessandro amirante> you're unmuted now
[14:13:22] <wseltzer> We Hardaker
[14:13:28] <wseltzer> *Wes
[14:13:42] <wseltzer> Eran
[14:14:21] <Eric Burger> MIC: Lurking observer here: Is it the end of the world to have two documents, one standards track (server) and one experimental (client)? Otherwise, we will be waiting a while for the expeiments to happen. Yes, that might result in having to change server behavior once we have real experience, but that's OK.
[14:15:05] <wseltzer> Stephen Farrell
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[14:15:08] <Cat Okita> It's hard to change things that are already in place and working.
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[14:16:03] <wseltzer> Paul Hoffman
[14:16:29] <Eric Burger> @Cat - that's why I would offer we get things out there now. Do we really want to wait two years before we publish anything?
[14:16:42] wseltzer Eric, in line next
[14:17:47] <Eric Burger> thanks, Wendy!
[14:17:56] <wseltzer> [Google's Plans]
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[14:19:58] <wseltzer> PHB
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[14:21:41] <wseltzer> https://tools.ietf.org/agenda/90/slides/slides-90-trans-1.pdf
[14:21:51] <wseltzer> Certificate Transparency for Domain Name System Security Extensions
[14:22:10] <wseltzer> [Use cases (1)]
[14:22:17] <Cat Okita> @eric - it's an interesting balance - prefer not to have the standard written entirely by implementation
[14:23:04] <wseltzer> [Use cases (2)]
[14:24:41] <wseltzer> [Log Operations on Publishing NDSSEC RRs]
[14:25:45] <wseltzer> [Authentication Chain]
[14:26:39] <wseltzer> [SCT RR]
[14:27:44] <wseltzer> [Open Questions]
[14:28:55] <sftcd> ben, threateningly, at mic:-)
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[14:31:53] <wseltzer> "if a child is noisy" :)
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[14:58:47] <wseltzer> https://tools.ietf.org/agenda/90/slides/slides-90-trans-3.pdf
[14:59:29] <wseltzer> [Use case 2]
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[15:13:50] <wseltzer> [adjourned]
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[15:14:00] <Eric Burger_8025> Thanks Wendy for scribing!
[15:14:09] <alessandro amirante> Presentation is over
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