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[17:48:16] <PaulWouters> hey Linus :)
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[17:51:09] <linus> PaulWouters: hi paul!
[17:51:30] <linus> CDT is so much better than that hawaii tz you were in last time :)
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[17:51:49] <linus> Eran Messeri: hi eran
[17:51:53] <Eran Messeri> Hi Linus
[17:52:14] <PaulWouters> linus: the weather was better in hawaii :)
[17:52:28] <Eran Messeri> linus: are you presenting remotely?
[17:52:32] <linus> PaulWouters: that's not so important to me :)
[17:52:40] <linus> Eran Messeri: i'm not. dkg is presenting ct gossip.
[17:53:21] <linus> i'm trying to get the audio stream into my ears though
[17:53:22] <Eran Messeri> PaulWouters: when I'm going through the issues please let me know if there's somebody at the mic, last time the video camera was aimed at the chairs, not the audience
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[18:01:49] <linus> nordunet still active
[18:01:56] <Eran Messeri> PaulWouters: do you have to do some magic on your side so I can speak? Don't see the broadcasting options on the meetecho interface
[18:02:02] <linus> PaulWouters: ^
[18:02:10] <linus> we're releasing something super awesome within weeks
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[18:02:16] <PaulWouters> eran not sure.
[18:03:13] <Eran Messeri> PaulWouters: last time I got a link with some sort of authorization # to present
[18:03:35] <PaulWouters> eran: trying to give you voice....
[18:04:19] <dkg> Meetecho: we need help voicing Eran and ben
[18:04:21] <sftcd> @meetecho: we're having audio issues apparently and could do with help
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[18:06:15] <Ben Laurie> hmm, I appear to have no audio
[18:06:28] <Eran Messeri> Ben, me neither
[18:06:29] <PaulWouters> ben: we are working on it
[18:06:48] <Eran Messeri> Ben Laurie: I'm using the streaming link: http://ietf92streaming.dnsalias.net/ietf/ietf922.m3u
[18:07:45] <Ben Laurie> ok, that's weird - I get the audio via itunes with that
[18:07:54] <Ben Laurie> seems to work, tho
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[18:09:52] <PaulWouters> seems like a mixer problem. someone is on their way
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[18:13:16] <Ben Laurie> small comment: wrong subject is one kind of mis-issuance, but e.g. wrong EKU is another
[18:13:51] <dkg> Ben Laurie: do you mean wrong EKU is somehow semantic mis-issuance?
[18:13:59] <Ben Laurie> yes
[18:14:10] <dkg> do you want me to raise that at the mic?
[18:14:22] <Ben Laurie> I think he already allowed other types :-)
[18:14:26] <dkg> ok :)
[18:14:27] <Ben Laurie> so no worries
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[18:20:28] <Karen Seo> hummmmm
[18:20:42] <dkg> Karen Seo: it wasn't clear what you were humming for :)
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[18:21:05] <Karen Seo> For the chair's question re: adopting the threat analysis as a WG document.
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[18:21:19] <PaulWouters> eran?
[18:21:19] <PaulWouters> can you talk?
[18:21:21] <Eran Messeri_3005> I'm here but can't talk
[18:21:23] <dkg> Karen Seo: right, but "for adoption" or "against adoption"?
[18:21:24] <PaulWouters> ben?
[18:21:56] <Eran Messeri_3005> (Can't turn on my microphone from the meetecho interface)
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[18:22:09] <Ben Laurie> I am not aware of any mechanism by which I can speak
[18:22:58] <Ben Laurie> also, sound just started working in meetecho
[18:23:24] <PaulWouters> yes we heard a loud "you are now unmuted"
[18:23:40] <Meetecho> :)
[18:23:50] <PaulWouters> Eran Messeri:
[18:23:52] <PaulWouters> 01:23:20 PM) meetecho@srv134.conf.meetecho.com/Psi: can you ask him to send us a mail?
(01:23:24 PM) meetecho@srv134.conf.meetecho.com/Psi: he never contacted us for a test
[18:25:23] <Eran Messeri> I'll email
[18:25:47] <Meetecho> tnx
[18:25:59] <Meetecho> wait I'll share the link via jabber
[18:26:03] <Ben Laurie> btw, to answer dkg on "auditor" - I think all we're saying is we're going to talk about "auditing" rather than "auditors" because people are confused by the latter in that "being an auditor" is not the whole job, its just part of several jobs you can do
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[18:26:58] <sftcd> @ben: is that for the mic?
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[18:28:15] <Ben Laurie> not urgently, its not important
[18:28:22] <Ben Laurie> I like this diagram, tho!
[18:31:20] <C Peters> StartTLS and SMTP, why not include it?
[18:31:54] <sftcd> if someone remote wants something said at the mic, please preface that with mic: or make it otherwise clear
[18:32:06] <linus> the draft says "HTTPS client" all through
[18:32:13] <linus> ^-- for mic
[18:32:21] <Ben Laurie> in short: in the long run, yes - when we started this, very few SMTP certs were CA issued
[18:33:07] <Yoav Nir> For now at least, a lot of SMTP servers use self-signed certificates. This is slowly changing.
[18:33:10] <sftcd> ack I'll echo your exchanges in a 'mo
[18:33:13] <Ben Laurie> in short: in the long run, yes - when we started this, very few SMTP certs were CA issued
[18:34:05] <Ben Laurie> mic: I imagined browsers sending STHs to websites and vice versa
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[18:36:04] <Eran Messeri_8245> Melinda: Yes
[18:36:19] <Ben Laurie> mic: as I said - I thought STHes should go from browsers (or strictly auditors, actually) to websites, and vice versa
[18:36:29] <Ben Laurie> whereas they are shown auditor->auditor
[18:36:35] <linus> Ben Laurie: we didn't see a way for https clients to actually get STHs
[18:36:57] <Ben Laurie> right, so revise my comment as auditors to websites and vice versa
[18:37:34] <Ben Laurie> yes
[18:37:41] <Ben Laurie> it would give it to another auditor
[18:38:05] <Ben Laurie> exactly so
[18:38:13] <Ben Laurie> particularly since many browsers will be auditors
[18:38:18] <Ben Laurie> and so have no direct route
[18:39:07] <Ben Laurie> STHs do not reveal what you have seen
[18:39:13] <Ben Laurie> but I agree with the other concern
[18:39:17] <linus> Ben Laurie: how do browsers get sths?
[18:39:36] <Ben Laurie> I will take it offline with lnus/dkg
[18:39:45] <sftcd> 3 hands raised having read it
[18:39:54] <linus> sftcd: thanks
[18:40:12] <Ben Laurie> audio works!
[18:40:24] <PaulWouters> oh good
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[18:51:58] <dkg> Ben Laurie: can you try speaking?
[18:52:01] <Ben Laurie> I am here, but don't appear to have a way to send audio
[18:52:18] <Meetecho> Ben Laurie: are you a remote speaker too? will send you the link in a private msg
[18:53:08] <PaulWouters> i hear some sound.. that's ben?
[18:53:33] <Eran Messeri_8245> Mic: yes
[18:53:50] <Ben Laurie> no ... I suggest eran presents this
[18:53:51] <sftcd> @eran: the yes was for what sorry?
[18:53:55] <Meetecho> Ben Laurie: just sent you a private msg
[18:53:58] <Meetecho> did you get it?
[18:54:01] <PaulWouters> ben ?
[18:54:04] <Eran Messeri_8245> sftcd, client behaviour
[18:54:06] <PaulWouters> Ben Laurie: test ?
[18:54:14] <PaulWouters> Eran: you want to do it for Ben?
[18:54:33] <Karen Seo> I'd be happy to help "edit".
[18:55:20] <sftcd> google confidential slides?
[18:55:39] <dkg> confidential *and* proprietary :P
[18:57:03] <Ben Laurie> sorry
[18:57:23] <Ben Laurie> I prepared them in a bit of a hurry and didn't notice that!
[18:57:34] linus diverting my eyes
[18:57:45] <Ben Laurie> I can upload a new version without that
[18:58:09] <PaulWouters> sure. if you give it to me or melinda, we'll update it
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[19:01:58] <Ben Laurie> mic: I am fixing the notice
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[19:04:59] <PaulWouters> any remote input ?
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[19:06:03] <Ben Laurie> Thankyou!
[19:06:11] <linus> Ben Laurie: wanna chat about STHs in clients?
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[19:06:13] <Karen Seo> Thank you!
[19:06:14] <linus> heh
[19:06:19] <linus> apparently not
[19:06:48] <linus> dkg: let's try to schedule something with ben soon, yes?
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[19:07:33] <dkg> yes,
[19:07:38] <sftcd> https://datatracker.ietf.org/secr/proceedings/92/ <https://datatracker.ietf.org/secr/proceedings/92/saag/>trans/
[19:07:42] <dkg> linus: i'm sending mail now
[19:07:51] <linus> dkg: great, thanks
[19:07:58] <linus> and thanks for the presentation
[19:08:07] <linus> the drawing is indeed useful
[19:08:16] <Meetecho> is the meeting adjourned?
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[19:08:40] <linus> Meetecho: seems to. but let's double check with Melinda or PaulWouters.
[19:09:17] <Meetecho> tnx!
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[19:10:28] <dkg> linus: i'll send the SVG as well.
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[19:11:02] <linus> dkg: i can put it in the github repo, for future inclusion in whatever format
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[19:11:22] <PaulWouters> Ben: updates slides
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[19:11:44] <linus> PaulWouters: CT meeting formally adjourned, right?
[19:12:55] <PaulWouters> yes
[19:13:20] <linus> tnx
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