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[19:55:30] <Spencer Dawkins> I send my best wishes. Make good choices.
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[19:56:07] <craigt> Hi there, I will be your Jabber scribe
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[19:56:47] <Spencer Dawkins> thank you, craigt
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[19:58:20] <craigt> Currently going through: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/102/materials/slides-102-tsvwg-sessb-1-2-wg-status-update-01
[19:58:24] <craigt> pg 8
[19:59:48] <craigt> pg 10: Related drafts (2)
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[20:01:48] <craigt> Lots of slides: Weill echo on demand rather than every page. Just ask...
[20:07:21] <craigt> Roland Bless: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/102/materials/slides-102-tsvwg-sessb-31-lower-effort-phb-00
[20:08:31] <craigt> Fred Baker at the mic
[20:09:49] <craigt> Tim Shephard at the mic
[20:12:41] <craigt> Brian Cerpenter speaking
[20:15:09] <craigt> Tom Jones: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/102/materials/slides-102-tsvwg-sessb-32-datagram-plpmtud-00
[20:17:38] <craigt> Gorry shaking his head frantically
[20:17:58] <Spencer Dawkins> Well, someone will read both drafts eventually ... maybe starting with friendly fire is best?
[20:18:27] <craigt> Ron Bonica at mic
[20:18:48] <Spencer Dawkins> I see how it is ... :D
[20:19:56] <craigt> I don't think i'll ever remember plpmtu(?:d)?
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[20:25:22] <Spencer Dawkins> This isn't actually the worst possible acronym, but you can see that one from where we're standing ...
[20:25:41] <craigt> Igor ??? at the mic
[20:25:49] <Lucas Pardue> lubashev
[20:25:55] <craigt> (sorry IGor)
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[20:28:28] <craigt> Michael Tuxen
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[20:29:35] <craigt> Ron Bonica: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/102/materials/slides-102-tsvwg-sessb-33-ipv6-packet-truncation-00
[20:31:35] <Spencer Dawkins> The awesome thing about these acronyms is that police can use repeating them as sobriety tests ...
[20:32:47] <craigt> "Walk along this line and read a printout of  'draft-ietf-tsvwg-datagram-plpmtud'"
[20:33:16] <Spencer Dawkins> I don't think I could walk and do that, and I'm cold sober ...
[20:34:00] <Lucas Pardue> now I know my DPLPMTUDs, please don't PTB IP
[20:34:32] <Spencer Dawkins> Please tell Mirja she's now the responsible AD for TSVWG, because I JUST DIED ...
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[20:39:40] <craigt> Tim Shephard at the mic
[20:41:00] <craigt> Igor lubashev
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[20:42:42] <craigt> Tom Jones speaking
[20:43:01] <craigt> Mirja suggested t-shorts of mic
[20:43:07] <craigt> shirts
[20:44:22] <craigt> Mirja Kühlewind speaking
[20:45:15] <craigt> Michael Tuxen speaking
[20:45:52] <craigt> Tom speaking
[20:47:05] <craigt> Fred Baker speaking
[20:49:32] <craigt> if the crc is external, and overpadded goes to the control plane: Can this be a simple DoS?
[20:50:16] <craigt> Al Morton (I think)
[20:52:16] <craigt> Bob Briscoe
[20:55:55] <craigt> Jana: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/102/materials/slides-102-tsvwg-sessb-34-quic-transport-overview-00
[20:56:15] <craigt> (Jana Iyengar)
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[21:00:08] <craigt> Randall Stewart
[21:00:20] <craigt> Michael Tuxen
[21:01:40] <craigt> Yoshina? (<--I should know this)
[21:02:30] <craigt> Yoshifumi Nishida
[21:04:16] <craigt> Magnus Westerlund: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/102/materials/slides-102-tsvwg-sessb-35-ecn-in-quic-00
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[21:11:10] <craigt> David Black from the floor
[21:11:58] <craigt> Bob Briscoe
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[21:13:43] <craigt> Jana Iyengar speaking
[21:14:54] <craigt> Colin Perkins at the mic
[21:17:13] <craigt> Bob Briscoe again
[21:18:07] <craigt> Mirja
[21:19:10] <craigt> David Black from the floor
[21:19:42] <craigt> Mirja
[21:21:22] <craigt> Colin Perkins: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/102/materials/slides-102-tsvwg-sessb-41-impact-of-transport-header-encryption-01
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[21:26:01] <craigt> Jana Iyengar
[21:28:16] <Abdussalam Baryun> mic...how many reviewed the draft?
[21:28:36] <craigt> queuing
[21:28:54] <Abdussalam Baryun> reviewed and commented review on ML
[21:31:57] <craigt> any follow up?
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[21:32:41] <Abdussalam Baryun> thanks
[21:32:47] <craigt> np
[21:34:02] <craigt> Al Morton at the mic
[21:35:51] <craigt> Spencer talking remotely
[21:37:16] <craigt> Loud hum in the room for adoption
[21:37:22] <craigt> crickets for no adoption
[21:38:02] <craigt> Eric Kinnear: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/102/materials/slides-102-tsvwg-sessb-42-tcp-encapsulation-considerations-00
[21:42:28] <craigt> Mirja at the mic
[21:46:10] <craigt> Brnaden Williams
[21:47:17] <Lucas Pardue> MIC: this work appears to have some relationship with tunneling over UDP that was presented in dispatch and httpbis this week. I'll follow up with an email after reading this draft
[21:47:45] <craigt> Waiting until after presentation
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[21:48:02] <Lucas Pardue> (Y)
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[21:49:23] <craigt> Presume you mean Helium/Hint?
[21:49:33] <Lucas Pardue> oops, yes
[21:53:39] <craigt> Lucas Pardue, shall i just relay that privately for brevity?
[21:53:59] <Lucas Pardue> WFM
[21:54:36] <craigt> Ill do that as were over time
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[22:06:37] <craigt> Messages all relayed fwiwi
[22:07:06] <Lucas Pardue> tyvm
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[22:12:03] <craigt> Michael Tuxen: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/102/materials/slides-102-tsvwg-sessa-52-michael-tuexen-rfc4960bis-01
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[22:13:58] <craigt> I need to leave before the end of this session: Is there another Jabber scribe in the room?
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[22:16:43] <Spencer Dawkins> I see Magnus in the Jabber room, but I'm not sure if he's in the physical room now. I know he's in Montreal ...
[22:17:03] <craigt> I'm sat next to him :)
[22:17:26] <Spencer Dawkins> Use the appropriate elbow?
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[22:17:28] <Spencer Dawkins> ;-)
[22:18:31] <craigt> Apologies remotes, I missed the last two talkers from the room
[22:19:24] <craigt> Magnus/I will swap iab (heading to tls)
[22:20:15] <craigt> iab it seems is ambiguous in this forum :)
[22:20:40] <Lucas Pardue> Internet administration board?
[22:22:10] <Magnus Westerlund> Yes
[22:28:22] <meetecho> Looks like Joe is not online
[22:28:25] <meetecho> Or is he?
[22:28:30] <meetecho> (I don't see him)
[22:29:08] <Spencer Dawkins> I don't see him ...
[22:29:14] <craigt> Bob Briscoe https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/102/materials/slides-102-tsvwg-sessa-54-l4s-00
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[22:34:05] <craigt> Bye all, Magnus Westerlund is now your friendly scribe.
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[22:43:01] <Magnus Westerlund> Gorry Fairhurst (as individual)
[22:44:46] <Magnus Westerlund> Anna Brunstrom
[22:50:11] <Magnus Westerlund> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/102/materials/slides-102-tsvwg-sessa-53-udp-options-00
[22:50:23] <Joe Touch> I*m here  in presentatino mode
[22:50:39] <Joe Touch> how?
[22:51:07] <Brian Carpenter> Muted?
[22:51:13] <Joe Touch> ive asked lorezo
[22:51:47] <meetecho> Joe unmuted but we can't hear him
[22:51:53] <meetecho> In Meetecho either
[22:52:19] <Joe Touch> I hear you
[22:52:45] <Brian Carpenter> We don't hear you, Joe
[22:53:01] <Magnus Westerlund> Yingzhen Qu, https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/102/materials/slides-102-tsvwg-sessa-61-ipv6-reservation-protocol-02
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[22:55:35] <Joe Touch> FYI - I think I'm ready when you are.
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[23:05:54] <Spencer Dawkins> it would be awesome if this conversation also happened in PANRG ... I've got a section about INTSERV in https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dawkins-panrg-what-not-to-do/ and would love to know more ...
[23:06:42] <Magnus Westerlund> Fred Baker
[23:10:23] <Magnus Westerlund> Joe Touch https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/102/materials/slides-102-tsvwg-sessa-61-ipv6-reservation-protocol-02
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[23:23:46] <Magnus Westerlund> Gorry
[23:26:40] <Magnus Westerlund> Session has ended.
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