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[09:40:56] <Tobia Castaldi> Presentation stopped
[09:42:49] <Tobia Castaldi> Slide 1: VIPR IETF 82
[09:43:33] <Tobia Castaldi> Slide 3: Volunteers
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[09:44:11] <Tobia Castaldi> meetecho session available at tipei1.conf.meetecho.com/WebLite/login.jsp?ietf=vipr
[09:44:14] <Tobia Castaldi> just make sure you use a different nickname if you're already in with your jabber client as well
[09:44:33] <Tobia Castaldi> sorry http://taipei1.conf.meetecho.com/WebLite/login.jsp?ietf=vipr
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[09:44:57] <Tobia Castaldi> Slide 4: Agenda (pre-bashed)
[09:44:59] <eburger> Thanks
[09:45:01] <burn> I will relay jabber room comments if anyone has any
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[09:45:29] <burn> please prefix your comments with "MIC:" if you want me to relay
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[09:46:34] <Tobia Castaldi> Slide 1: VIPR Overview
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[09:48:00] <Tobia Castaldi> Slide 2: VIPR Overview
[09:49:46] <eburger> OK, I'll look at it.
[09:50:00] <eburger> You are welcome.
[09:50:08] <eburger> zzzzzzz
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[09:50:11] <Tobia Castaldi> Presentation stopped
[09:50:39] <Tobia Castaldi> Slide 1: VIPR
[09:50:48] <Tobia Castaldi> Slide 2: The story so far...
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[09:53:03] <Tobia Castaldi> Slide 3: Design Team
[09:53:09] <Tobia Castaldi> Slide 4: Framework document
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[09:54:40] <burn> Reminder: If you have comments you want me to make at the mic, prefix your comment with "MIC:"
[09:54:52] <Tobia Castaldi> Slide 5: PVP methods template
[09:58:52] <burn> Alex ?? at mic
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[09:59:32] <Tobia Castaldi> Alexander Mayhofer
[09:59:39] <burn> thx
[09:59:43] <Tobia Castaldi> :)
[10:00:04] <Tobia Castaldi> *Mayrhofer
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[10:01:37] <Tobia Castaldi> Slide 6: SIP Intermediaries
[10:02:49] <burn> Cullen Jennings at mic
[10:04:07] <Tobia Castaldi> for remote participant: a meetecho session is available at http://www.meetecho.com/ietf82/vipr
[10:04:11] <Tobia Castaldi> just make sure you use a different nickname if you're already in with your jabber client as well
[10:05:42] <burn> Alex Mayrhofer at mic
[10:06:51] <burn> Cullen Jennings at mic
[10:07:00] <burn> Hadriel Kaplan at mic
[10:07:27] <mhp> My audio stream must be lagging by about 50 seconds!
[10:07:48] <tomkrist> Indeed
[10:07:50] <eburger> I'm using the Real Audio stream -- to much drop-outs from the Java client.
[10:08:18] <eburger> the RTSP stream seems to be near real-time
[10:08:48] <burn> I'm usually within 2 seconds of announcing mic speaker, fyi
[10:08:52] <mhp> I'm listening to http://ietf82streaming.dnsalias.net/ietf/ietf822.m3u
[10:09:06] <mhp> The meetecho room had too many dropouts
[10:09:15] <eburger> @mhp: that's your problem. The MP3 is known really bad.
[10:09:34] <eburger> Go for rtsp://taipei1.conf.meetech.com/3330022.sdp
[10:09:57] <eburger> ^meetech^meetecho
[10:11:12] <mhp> too many dropouts - I'm getting about half the audio from that link Eric!
[10:11:27] <burn> Hadriel Kaplan back at mic
[10:12:49] <Lorenzo Miniero> mhp that's weird
[10:12:59] <Lorenzo Miniero> I'm listening to that stream from Italy and I get every bit
[10:13:48] <eburger> I get everything over the RTSP feed, too.
[10:14:07] <mhp> I must be particularly lucky this morning then!
[10:14:16] <Lorenzo Miniero> :)
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[10:15:37] <Tobia Castaldi> Slide 7: Proportional Quota
[10:18:42] <Tobia Castaldi> Slide 8: RELOAD Usage: Supported methods
[10:21:32] <burn> Alex Mayrhofer at mic
[10:24:04] <burn> Cullen Jennings at mic
[10:26:06] <Tobia Castaldi> Slide 9: RELOAD Usage: No additional copies
[10:28:20] <burn> Cullen Jennings at mic
[10:29:15] <eburger> Cullen was probably on both sides of the argument :-)
[10:30:55] <Cullen Jennings> on the same day :-)
[10:32:01] <Tobia Castaldi> Slide 10: RELOAD Usage: Multiplier
[10:32:25] <burn> (there are crickets in the room, but they took a while to start up)
[10:32:34] <burn> "crickets", that is
[10:33:26] <Tobia Castaldi> Slide 11: PVP: Vocabulary
[10:35:38] <burn> Anonymous is at mic
[10:36:14] <Tobia Castaldi> Slide 12: PVP: Hashing the Caller-ID for method a
[10:40:39] <burn> Cullen Jennings at mic
[10:44:29] <burn> Hadriel Kaplan at mic
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[10:47:42] <burn> Alex Mayrhofer at mic
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[10:49:32] <Tobia Castaldi> Slide 13: PVP: Inverting the secret and selector
[10:50:44] <burn> Cullen Jennings at mic
[10:52:41] <burn> (still)
[10:53:21] <burn> Alex Mayrhofer at mic
[10:54:48] <Tobia Castaldi> Slide 14: PVP: Method entropy
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[10:58:53] <burn> Cullen Jennings at mic
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[10:59:49] <eburger> I'm giggling, too
[11:00:15] <burn> Cullen's phone is ringing
[11:00:26] <burn> (as a duck quack)
[11:00:29] <eburger> MIC: Experience is we will have zero security with this proposal, and that is unacceptable.
[11:00:53] <burn> ack eburger — in line after Hadriel
[11:01:35] <eburger> (this = Cullen's idea of configuring, unless the "not much entropy" is not too small)
[11:04:31] <burn> Hadriel Kaplan at mic
[11:05:18] <eburger> "You", if end users, are clueless. "Yes, I'll accept bankofamerica.com <http://bankofamerica.com> signed by theftco root certificate"
[11:05:54] <eburger> default minimum value works for me (MIC)
[11:06:28] <burn> ack eric — after Sohel Khan
[11:06:33] <burn> Sohel Khan at mic
[11:08:26] <eburger> np (Jon) thx (Dan)
[11:08:27] <Cullen Jennings> @eric - agree with you. Part of issues is amount of entropy we get from 1 call is an amount that some people think is OK and some think it is not enough
[11:08:34] <Tobia Castaldi> Slide 15: PVP: Ticket vs Certificate
[11:08:38] <eburger> quack
[11:08:46] <eburger> Ducks eat Crickets
[11:09:11] <burn> there are all kidns of noises showing up now
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[11:11:53] <burn> Cullen Jennings at mic
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[11:17:43] <eburger> (hmmm. I go start the coffee when Cullen is talking. I come back and Cullen is talking.)
[11:18:00] <burn> yeah, he's dominating the mic
[11:18:01] <Tobia Castaldi> :D
[11:19:57] <burn> Alex Mayrhofer at mic
[11:21:40] <burn> Richard Barnes at mic
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[11:23:03] <burn> (again)
[11:23:34] <Tobia Castaldi> Slide 16: SIP Antispam: Ticket renewal
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[11:26:10] <Cullen Jennings> I see EKR showed up in room
[11:26:25] <Tobia Castaldi> Slide 16: SIP Antispam: Ticket renewal
[11:26:49] <EKRm> and now in the audio
[11:27:19] <eburger> We need someone to reduce Fluffy's microphone time.
[11:27:23] <eburger> ekr will do
[11:27:28] <Lorenzo Miniero> :D
[11:27:30] <eburger> (Y)
[11:27:30] <burn> He's sitting down now, so it's okay
[11:27:37] <burn> (Fluffy, that is)
[11:27:47] <burn> Sohel Khan at mic
[11:27:58] <EKRm> This sounds like Mr. Peterson
[11:28:23] <burn> right now it's Sohel
[11:28:33] <eburger> @ekr: the running joke is that Cullen is dominating the mic
[11:28:52] <burn> Sohel is the man formerly known as Anonymous
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[11:29:08] <eburger> I liked him better the other way
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[11:30:54] <Tobia Castaldi> Slide 17: Infrastructure Overlay
[11:31:03] <EKRm> We should all be named anonymous
[11:31:08] <eburger> Coffee is almost ready
[11:31:20] <burn> just in time for the meeting to end, Eric
[11:31:29] <EKRm> I've already had 4 espresos today, which is good since I've been up for like 19 hrs
[11:31:45] <burn> Cullen Jennings at mic
[11:32:04] <eburger> I forgot -- you're doing the same as me: WOBW: Worst of Both Worlds -- up for Taipei and up for local time
[11:32:11] <burn> EKR, have you seen the movie "Hoodwinked"?
[11:32:18] <Cullen Jennings> I love the sound of "the one ring"
[11:32:25] <EKRm> I feel like there is some IAB statement on only one root
[11:32:38] <EKRm> Eburger: yeah, I'm like working a full day
[11:32:38] <eburger> I'm wondering if we can tie it to SOPA
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[11:33:03] <EKRm> No, I have not seen it. should I?
[11:33:12] <Cullen Jennings> Darwin would like it
[11:33:14] <burn> There is a squirrel who never drinks coffee
[11:33:17] <Cullen Jennings> I have seen it about 50 times now
[11:33:27] <Lorenzo Miniero> Eric I've been doing the same, up at 2am every single day
[11:33:34] <Cullen Jennings> but the squirell talks really fast
[11:33:52] <Lorenzo Miniero> considering I didn't look that great before, you can just guess how I look now
[11:34:03] <eburger> :-B
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[11:35:20] <Jonathan Lennox> So we're going to need to use RELOAD to discover an appropriate SBC fix the interop?
[11:35:57] <eburger> hee hee heee. Oh crap! you're not joking!
[11:36:14] <Jonathan Lennox> It's a "ha ha only serious" thing.
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[11:36:37] <EKRm> Isn't this meeting over?
[11:36:43] <EKRm> I know my time has expired
[11:36:51] <eburger> 3 minutes left on the clock
[11:36:51] <Jonathan Lennox> four minutes I think
[11:36:52] <burn> cullen back at mic
[11:37:18] <burn> at the time I type this, 2 minutes and 40 seconds
[11:37:56] <Tobia Castaldi> Slide 18: VIPR Troubleshooting
[11:40:56] <eburger> zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
[11:41:05] <EKRm> good night!!!!
[11:41:06] <Tobia Castaldi> bye all
[11:41:11] <tomkrist> Good day
[11:41:13] <eburger> Good morning!
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[11:41:18] <burn> meeting adjourned
[11:41:27] <eburger> Thanks Dan!!!
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[11:41:40] <Lorenzo Miniero> bye everybody
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[11:42:01] <mhp> Thanks for the scribing
[11:42:05] <mhp> too late!
[11:42:16] <Tobia Castaldi> :)
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