Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notification for draft-kerwin-file-scheme-13.txt
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Subject: Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notification for draft-kerwin-file-scheme-13.txt
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I applaud the move to document file:. Three comments on http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kerwin-file-scheme First comment: Please align with the special processing for “file:” in: https://specs.webplatform.org/url/webspecs/develop/ That spec (developed in sync with WHATWG URL) focuses on parsing and processing of base + relative, when the scheme (or base scheme) is “file:”, while the kerwin-file-scheme talks more about mapping between local file paths and “file:” IRIs (URLs). But the overlap is significant, and I hope could be eliminated, if the direction of moving the webplatform.org spec to obsolete 3987 is accepted. Second comment: You describe the relationship between local file names and ‘file:’ URLS for “UNIX-like”, “DOS- or Windows-based” and “VMS Files-11”. These categories aren’t precise or exhaustive, and file system processing of file names can vary depending on version, language pack installed in OS, as well as network protocol (Nfs?). I would rather see a more extensible organization of the specification by establishing a template, and then separately documenting, on a file-system by file-system basis, how to translate and match, based not on the URI but on the parsed components resulting from URL-parsing. This would allow new or different file systems to be documented. Third comment: The translation between file names and URLs and things like them happen in several specs: content-disposition for file download, multipart/form-data for file upload, by common HTTP servers, when packaging files together into archive types as being discussed by those proposing a new ‘archive’ top level media type. It would be beneficial if we converge these, as it reduces interoperability to have incompatible methods of translation for local files names depending on the categorization. Larry -- http://larry.masinter.net From: apps-discuss [mailto:apps-discuss-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Matthew Kerwin Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 6:13 PM To: IETF Apps Discuss; uri@w3.org Subject: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notification for draft-kerwin-file-scheme-13.txt FYI: this is my file URI draft, now listing apps-discuss as the official place for discussion. >>> A new version of I-D, draft-kerwin-file-scheme-13.txt has been successfully submitted by Matthew Kerwin and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-kerwin-file-scheme Revision: 13 Title: The file URI Scheme Document date: 2014-09-26 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 16 URL: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-kerwin-file-scheme-13.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kerwin-file-scheme/ Htmlized: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kerwin-file-scheme-13 Diff: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-kerwin-file-scheme-13 Abstract: This document specifies the "file" Uniform Resource Identifier (URI) scheme, replacing the definition in RFC 1738. It attempts to document current practices, while at the same time defining a common core which is intended to interoperate across the broad spectrum of existing implementations. Note to Readers (To be removed by the RFC Editor) This draft should be discussed on the IETF Applications Area Working Group discussion list <apps-discuss@ietf.org<mailto:apps-discuss@ietf.org>>. Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org<http://tools.ietf.org>. The IETF Secretariat -- Matthew Kerwin http://matthew.kerwin.net.au/
- [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notification … Matthew Kerwin
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Daniel Stenberg
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Daniel Stenberg
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Julian Reschke
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… t.petch
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Sean Leonard
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… John C Klensin
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Matthew Kerwin
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Sean Leonard
- [apps-discuss] "local convention" in draft-kerwin… Sean Leonard
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Matthew Kerwin
- Re: [apps-discuss] "local convention" in draft-ke… Matthew Kerwin
- Re: [apps-discuss] "local convention" in draft-ke… t.petch
- Re: [apps-discuss] "local convention" in draft-ke… Graham Klyne
- Re: [apps-discuss] "local convention" in draft-ke… Eric Burger
- Re: [apps-discuss] "local convention" in draft-ke… Graham Klyne
- Re: [apps-discuss] "local convention" in draft-ke… Dave Cridland
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Larry Masinter
- Re: [apps-discuss] "local convention" in draft-ke… Nico Williams
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Nico Williams
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Nico Williams
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Nico Williams
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Nico Williams
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Matthew Kerwin
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Matthew Kerwin
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Nico Williams
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Nico Williams
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Nico Williams
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Phillips, Addison
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- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… John Cowan
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Doug Royer
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [apps-discuss] New Version Notification for d… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Matthew Kerwin
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Graham Klyne
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Graham Klyne
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Graham Klyne
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Graham Klyne
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Julian Reschke
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Julian Reschke
- [apps-discuss] URI parsing tests: userinfo handli… Julian Reschke
- Re: [apps-discuss] URI parsing tests: userinfo ha… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] URI parsing tests: userinfo ha… Julian Reschke
- Re: [apps-discuss] URI parsing tests: userinfo ha… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] URI parsing tests: userinfo ha… Julian Reschke
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Graham Klyne
- Re: [apps-discuss] URI parsing tests: userinfo ha… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Sam Ruby
- [apps-discuss] Potential issues in RFC 3986 Julian Reschke
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Potential issues in RFC 3986 Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Potential issues in RFC 3986 Julian Reschke
- Re: [apps-discuss] Potential issues in RFC 3986 Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Graham Klyne
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- Re: [apps-discuss] presumption that RFC3986 is co… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] presumption that RFC3986 is co… Stephen Farrell
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- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Sean Leonard
- Re: [apps-discuss] presumption that RFC3986 is co… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] presumption that RFC3986 is co… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [apps-discuss] Potential issues in RFC 3986 Julian Reschke
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Matthew Kerwin
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Matthew Kerwin
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Matthew Kerwin
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Matthew Kerwin
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Matthew Kerwin
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Matthew Kerwin
- Re: [apps-discuss] presumption that RFC3986 is co… Julian Reschke
- Re: [apps-discuss] presumption that RFC3986 is co… Julian Reschke
- Re: [apps-discuss] presumption that RFC3986 is co… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [apps-discuss] presumption that RFC3986 is co… Graham Klyne
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… t.petch
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Larry Masinter
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Sean Leonard
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… t.petch
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… t.petch
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Sean Leonard
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Sean Leonard
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Sean Leonard
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Matthew Kerwin
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Sean Leonard
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… t.petch
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Sam Ruby
- [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragment … Julian Reschke
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- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Julian Reschke
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Mark Nottingham
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Julian Reschke
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Mark Nottingham
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Julian Reschke
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Julian Reschke
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Mark Nottingham
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Julian Reschke
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Julian Reschke
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… t.petch
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- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Julian Reschke
- Re: [apps-discuss] Parsing text into URLs that do… darrel.miller
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Sean Leonard
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Julian Reschke
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Sean Leonard
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Nico Williams
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Nico Williams
- [apps-discuss] Filesystem I18N, again (Re: Fwd: F… Nico Williams
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Matthew Kerwin
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Julian Reschke
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Matthew Kerwin
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Julian Reschke
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… darrel.miller
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- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Nico Williams
- Re: [apps-discuss] presumption that RFC3986 is co… Nico Williams
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Nico Williams
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Dave Cridland
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Dave Cridland
- Re: [apps-discuss] Fwd: FW: New Version Notificat… Nico Williams
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Graham Klyne
- Re: [apps-discuss] character repertoire for fragm… Graham Klyne
- [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor - w… Graham Klyne
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Dave Cridland
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Sam Ruby
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- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Sam Ruby
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- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Julian Reschke
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- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… darrel.miller
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Graham Klyne
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Dave Cridland
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Henry S. Thompson
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Graham Klyne
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Graham Klyne
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Graham Klyne
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… t.petch
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Dave Cridland
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Larry Masinter
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Sam Ruby
- [apps-discuss] What does it mean? (Re: Scope of R… Nico Williams
- Re: [apps-discuss] What does it mean? (Re: Scope … Larry Masinter
- Re: [apps-discuss] What does it mean? (Re: Scope … Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] What does it mean? (Re: Scope … Sam Ruby
- [apps-discuss] Terminology and scope of [UI]Rx-li… Henry S. Thompson
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… t.petch
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… t.petch
- Re: [apps-discuss] What does it mean? (Re: Scope … Henry S. Thompson
- Re: [apps-discuss] What does it mean? (Re: Scope … Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Matthew Kerwin
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Hector Santos
- Re: [apps-discuss] What does it mean? (Re: Scope … Dave Cridland
- Re: [apps-discuss] Terminology and scope of [UI]R… Sean Leonard
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- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… darrel.miller
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- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Sam Ruby
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- Re: [apps-discuss] Terminology and scope of [UI]R… Julian Reschke
- Re: [apps-discuss] What does it mean? (Re: Scope … Dave Cridland
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- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… mike amundsen
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… darrel.miller
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… mike amundsen
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Sam Ruby
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Larry Masinter
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Graham Klyne
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Graham Klyne
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- Re: [apps-discuss] What does it mean? (Re: Scope … Martin J. Dürst
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- Re: [apps-discuss] draft-ietf-iri-comparison Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [apps-discuss] draft-ietf-iri-comparison Larry Masinter
- Re: [apps-discuss] draft-ietf-iri-comparison Larry Masinter
- Re: [apps-discuss] draft-ietf-iri-comparison t.petch
- Re: [apps-discuss] draft-ietf-iri-comparison Graham Klyne
- Re: [apps-discuss] draft-ietf-iri-comparison David Singer
- Re: [apps-discuss] draft-ietf-iri-comparison Roy T. Fielding
- Re: [apps-discuss] draft-ietf-iri-comparison Larry Masinter
- Re: [apps-discuss] draft-ietf-iri-comparison Mark Nottingham
- Re: [apps-discuss] draft-ietf-iri-comparison James M Snell
- Re: [apps-discuss] draft-ietf-iri-comparison Dave Cridland
- [apps-discuss] IETF lists Re: draft-ietf-iri-comp… t.petch
- Re: [apps-discuss] IETF lists Re: draft-ietf-iri-… Julian Reschke
- Re: [apps-discuss] draft-ietf-iri-comparison Sean Leonard
- Re: [apps-discuss] draft-ietf-iri-comparison Mark Nottingham
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Bjoern Hoehrmann
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Larry Masinter
- Re: [apps-discuss] Scope of RFC3986 and successor… Graham Klyne