Re: [Cfrg] Requesting removal of CFRG co-chair
David McGrew <mcgrew@cisco.com> Mon, 30 December 2013 03:20 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Cfrg] Requesting removal of CFRG co-chair
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Hi Watson, I don't want to step into the middle of an argument, but I do want to address some particular points: On 12/27/2013 06:56 PM, Watson Ladd wrote: > The supposedly "open" CFRG had over the years atrophied, to the point > where the chair would think that no objection was equivalent to a > positive review. It is not fair to say that CFRG is "supposedly open". It *is* open, certainly it is open to the extent that any IRTF RG is. Could it be more transparent in a way that helped to gain trust? Perhaps, and in this area, constructive criticism is welcome. But everyone providing such criticism needs to understand the way that the IETF and IRTF work and make suggests that fit within that framework. Furthermore, people should be willing to contribute their personal efforts to CFRG and IRTF, especially if they want to propose additional work items that will need to get done. > As a participant, do you feel that that is an adequate foundation for > this WG's activities? I think that you mean CFRG, which is of course a Research Group of IRTF and not an IETF Working Group. (I don't mean to sound pedantic, but there is a difference, and I don't want anyone who starts reading this thread in the middle to get the wrong idea.) > Do you believe the CFRG has provided good service to the IETF during > the years it has been active? Do you believe that the CFRG has > increased the security of IETF produced protocols? Let's focus on the > issues here: the CFRG isn't doing its job. Yes, CFRG has done a good job over the years at providing a "forum for discussing and reviewing uses of cryptographic mechanisms, both for network security in general and for the IETF <http://ietf.org/> in particular" and "bringing new cryptographic techniques to the Internet community and promoting an understanding of the use and applicability of these mechanisms via Informational RFCs". (The quotes are from the CFRG charter.) I don't think that there is any question about that. On the Dragonfly protocol, the CFRG chairs could have done a better job at summarizing the diversity of opinion regarding a dead-end proposal to the TLS working group (dead end in the sense that the working group rejected it, so it didn't matter much what CFRG thought about it anyway). But it is not fair to imply that CFRG has not been doing its job over the years because of that. (Perhaps you didn't mean to imply that, but I can't quite tell.) There could, and perhaps there should, be a discussion about what should be in the CFRG charter going forward. If there are people qualified and willing to do more active work that polices the security of IETF protocols, we could do that. Or perhaps it would be best to move some of the work out of the IRTF and into the IETF, if that would provide the group with more authority (e.g. a way to say "no" and make it stick). I would guess that the Security Area Directors would be open to suggestions. David >> regards, >> >> Dan. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cfrg mailing list >> Cfrg@irtf.org >> http://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/cfrg > >
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