Re: [Dime] WGLC #3 for draft-ietf-dime-doic-rate-control-04
Misha Zaytsev <misha.zaytsev.rus@gmail.com> Thu, 26 January 2017 21:35 UTC
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From: Misha Zaytsev <misha.zaytsev.rus@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Dime] WGLC #3 for draft-ietf-dime-doic-rate-control-04
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Hi, Here are my comments to the draft: 1. section 1. If the service requests that result in Diameter transactions *increase *quickly... 2. section 1. corrected misprints Consider the case where a reacting *(?)* node is handling 100 service requests per second, where each of these service requests results in one Diameter transaction being sent to a *reporting *node. If the *reporting *node is approaching an overload state, or is already in an overload state, it will send a Diameter overload report requesting a percentage reduction in traffic sent. Assume for this discussion that the reporting node requests a 10% reduction. The reacting node will then abate (diverting or throttling) ten Diameter transactions *per* second, sending the remaining 90 transactions per second to the *reporting *node. 3. section 1, reporting nodes -> reporting node's The reacting node will continue to honor the *reporting node's request* for a 10% reduction in traffic. 4. section 1, question Can't it we simplify the description and make it shorter at the same time? Loss algorithm is about the case with a specific traffic rate. Thus, the amount of the abated traffic directly depends on its rate. In this case the reporting node just says to a reacting one: "I want you to send less traffic". While rate algorithm is about the traffic rate itself. In this case a reporting node says to a reacting one: "I want you to sent traffic slower" This is just an idea/proposal in which way the description can be simplified. If this is the matter of preference, then OK. Also, could it be clarified the meaning of the following statement? What potential to make the situation worse is meant here? This control feedback loop has the potential to make the situation worse. 5. section 5.1/general report-type -> report type DiameterID -> DiameterIdentity 6. section 5.5./general Rate algorithm -> rate algorithm (if not at the beginning of the statement) 7. section 5.5 Probably "MUST" is to be used? When sending an overload report for the *rate* algorithm, the OC- Maximum-Rate AVP *MUST be* included and the OC-Reduction-Percentage AVP *MUST not be* included. 8. section 5.6 Once a determination is made by the reacting node that an individual Diameter request is to be subjected to abatement treatment then the procedures for throttling and diversion defined in [RFC7683] and [I-D.ietf-dime-agent-overload] *are applied*. 9. section 6.1.1 Probably, it is better to use bit representation of 4, isn't it? OLR_RATE_ALGORITHM (0x000000000000000*100*) 10. section 6.2.1 corrected misprints The OC-Maximum-Rate AVP (AVP code TBD1) is *of* type Unsigned32 and describes the maximum rate *that* the sender is requested to send traffic. 11. section 7.1 To be honest, I do not see the value of the text in this section. It just formulates already defined things in a shorter form. Is it really worth having it in the spec? In general, let me state my personal opinion: I think we should take only really meaningful info from SIP RFC, not just pull the content with the appropriate changes to be inline with Diameter RFC7683... 12. section 7.2 It is clear that the reacting nodes may send less than the specified OC-Maximum-Rate value. They should not send more than the specified OC-Maximum-Rate value, right? Not sure what is the purpose of the 2nd paragraph... Note that the AVP for the rate algorithm is an upper bound (in request messages per second) on the traffic sent by the reacting node to the reporting node. The reacting node may send traffic at a rate significantly lower than the upper bound, for a variety of reasons. In other words, when multiple reacting nodes are being controlled by an overloaded reporting node, at any given time some reacting nodes may receive requests at a rate below its target maximum Diameter request rate while others above that target rate. But the resulting request rate presented to the overloaded reporting node will converge towards the target Diameter request rate. The things below are already described in the above sections, aren't they? If so, what is the reason behind to duplicate the info? Upon detection of overload, and the determination to invoke overload controls, the reporting node MUST follow the specifications in [RFC7683] to notify its clients of the allocated target maximum Diameter request rate and to notify them that the rate overload abatement is in effect. The reporting node MUST use the OC-Maximum-Rate AVP defined in this specification to communicate a target maximum Diameter request rate to each of its clients. 13. Upper case in section titles for section 7.3.1, 7.3.2, 7.3.3, 8.1 and 8.2 14. section 9. apply-> are applied (if my understanding is correct) As such, all of the security considerations outlined in [RFC7683] are applied to the rate overload abatement mechanism. If more issues are found, I will add them to the list later on. Best regards, /Misha 2017-01-23 4:27 GMT+03:00 jouni.nospam <jouni.nospam@gmail.com>: > Folks, > > This mail starts the WGLC #3 for draft-ietf-dime-doic-rate-control-04. > The WGLC ends next Sunday 2/5/2017 (PDT). > > Please, read & review the draft, provide your support or opposition and/or > comments to the list. > > Just reminding.. no comments/reviews on the document, I cannot conclude > the WGLC has passed. > > > Regards, > Jouni > _______________________________________________ > DiME mailing list > DiME@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dime >
- [Dime] WGLC #3 for draft-ietf-dime-doic-rate-cont… jouni.nospam
- Re: [Dime] WGLC #3 for draft-ietf-dime-doic-rate-… Misha Zaytsev
- Re: [Dime] WGLC #3 for draft-ietf-dime-doic-rate-… Gunn, Janet P
- Re: [Dime] WGLC #3 for draft-ietf-dime-doic-rate-… Misha Zaytsev
- Re: [Dime] WGLC #3 for draft-ietf-dime-doic-rate-… Gunn, Janet P
- Re: [Dime] WGLC #3 for draft-ietf-dime-doic-rate-… DOLLY, MARTIN C
- Re: [Dime] WGLC #3 for draft-ietf-dime-doic-rate-… A. Jean Mahoney
- Re: [Dime] WGLC #3 for draft-ietf-dime-doic-rate-… DOLLY, MARTIN C
- Re: [Dime] WGLC #3 for draft-ietf-dime-doic-rate-… jouni.nospam
- Re: [Dime] WGLC #3 for draft-ietf-dime-doic-rate-… Steve Donovan