Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption - draft-west-let-localhost-be-localhost
Tony Finch <dot@dotat.at> Wed, 06 September 2017 15:57 UTC
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption - draft-west-let-localhost-be-localhost
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Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> wrote: > > It's whether the working group is willing, since returning NXDOMAIN is > an actual change in behavior from the original specification in RFC > 6761, and will likely result in some breakage, since it can safely be > assumed that some stacks are currently following the RFC6761 advice. I was looking at query traffic recently to prepare for deleting localhost entries from our main zone (http://news.uis.cam.ac.uk/articles/2017/09/01/deleting-localhost-entries-from-the-cam-ac-uk-dns-zone) It was reassuring to see there were very few leaked localhost queries, whether bare or with the search path appended. So it seems that stub resolvers are successfully sinking localhost queries as they should. I have configured the resolvers I run pedantically to include the empty zones that aren't built-in to BIND, including localhost. So my setup is a lot more RFC 6761 than the default. (But I'll happily delete most of it when the cheese shop reaches production.) Based on the low volume of localhost query traffic and the lack of RFC 6761 conformance in at least one common recursive server, I think the change from positive to negative responses will only affect a tiny number of things that are already buggy. A related thing that needs to be covered is the reverse DNS for 127.0.0.1 and ::1 - pedants like me have configured PTR records for those addresses, which become useless when the forward domain goes away (if they aren't useless already). BIND returns a built-in NXDOMAIN for them by default which is justified by RFC 5735 though that spec doesn't mention the DNS. Perhaps let-localhost-be-localhost should explicitly require reverse DNS behaviour to match the forward DNS, i.e. positive answers generated in stubs and NXDOMAIN from recursive servers. Tony. -- f.anthony.n.finch <dot@dotat.at> http://dotat.at/ - I xn--zr8h punycode Irish Sea: West 4 or 5, decreasing 3 for a time, backing southwest 5 or 6 later. Slight or moderate. Showers later. Good.
- [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption - draft-west-let-… tjw ietf
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption - draft-west-… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption - draft-west-… Richard Barnes
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption - draft-west-… tjw ietf
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption - draft-west-… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption - draft-west-… Tony Finch
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption - draft-west-… Warren Kumari
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption - draft-west-… Jacob Hoffman-Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption - draft-west-… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption - draft-west-… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption - draft-west-… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption - draft-west-… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption - draft-west-… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption - draft-west-… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption - draft-west-… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption - draft-west-… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption - draft-west-… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption - draft-west-… Warren Kumari
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption - draft-west-… 神明達哉
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption - draft-west-… Wes Hardaker
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption - draft-west-… Tony Finch
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption - draft-west-… Peter van Dijk
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption - draft-west-… Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption - draft-west-… Tony Finch
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption - draft-west-… Richard Barnes
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption - draft-west-… John R Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption - draft-west-… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption - draft-west-… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption - draft-west-… John R Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption - draft-west-… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption - draft-west-… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption - draft-west-… Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption - draft-west-… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption - draft-west-… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption - draft-west-… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption - draft-west-… Peter van Dijk
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption - draft-west-… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption - draft-west-… Matthew Pounsett
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption - draft-west-… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption - draft-west-… Wes Hardaker
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption - draft-west-… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption - draft-west-… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption - draft-west-… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption - draft-west-… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption - draft-west-… Lanlan Pan
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption - draft-west-… Peter van Dijk
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption - draft-west-… =JeffH
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption - draft-west-… Wendy Seltzer
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption - draft-west-… Warren Kumari
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption - draft-west-… Jacob Hoffman-Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption - draft-west-… Petr Špaček
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption - draft-west-… tjw ietf