Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs
Frank Ellermann <hmdmhdfmhdjmzdtjmzdtzktdkztdjz@gmail.com> Wed, 05 October 2011 22:10 UTC
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Subject: Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs
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On 5 October 2011 22:44, John Levine wrote: > Mail message format is described in RFC 5322, while news article > format is described in RFC 5536. Yeah, I'm aware of 5536, it is firmly based on 5322. An earlier Usefor draft already had UTF-8, but it did not make it (roughly at the time when I felt that the "making of RFCs" is fascinating): <URL:http://purl.net/xyzzy/usefor07.htm> 5536 is an application of 5322 + MIME. Son-of-1036 (1849) already had 822 + MIME, so this was not really a new idea after UTF-8 got no consensus back in 2002 or 2003. > it is just wrong to assert that you can turn one into the other > without using a gateway that deals with the differences. Nobody said that there are no gateways. About twenty years ago I ended up maintaining a list of gateway software for some time (at that time RFC822 <-> NetNews was an *apparently* simple case, and consequently this caused more troubles than the more convoluted scenarios involving other networks). IIRC that was in one of the "gatebau GABELs" (Group, Area, Boards, Echo, List; this was a "politically correct" acronym using the German word "gabel", i.e., it was no Usenet newsgroup also available in Fido or v.v., it was a neutral territory wrt the transport technologies and the resulting different admin structures.) > I read this list via a gateway that turns it into a local > newsgroup) and there's a lot of little nits they have to deal > with. For more than six years I read all IETF mailing lists on Larsi's GMaNe (Gateway MAil NEws), at the moment I try my luck with Gmail. Somewhere the EAI drafts should mention that the first ideas for UTF-8 in Internet message header fields was created by Usefor or more precisely by Charles about ten years ago. -Frank
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs John Levine
- [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Frank Ellermann
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs ned+ima
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Charles Lindsey
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs ned+ima
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Dave CROCKER
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs John C Klensin
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs John Levine
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Frank Ellermann
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Frank Ellermann
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs ned+ima
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs ned+ima
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs ned+ima
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs John C Klensin
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs ned+ima
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Charles Lindsey
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Frank Ellermann
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs ned+ima
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Chris Newman
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs John C Klensin
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Charles Lindsey
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Dave CROCKER
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs John C Klensin
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Charles Lindsey
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Julien ÉLIE
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs John C Klensin
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Charles Lindsey
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Julien ÉLIE
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Charles Lindsey
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs John C Klensin
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Frank Ellermann
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs John Levine
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs John C Klensin
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Julien ÉLIE
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Frank Ellermann
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Julien ÉLIE
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Julien ÉLIE
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Frank Ellermann
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs John C Klensin
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Frank Ellermann
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Charles Lindsey
- Re: [EAI] UTF-8 in Message-IDs Julien ÉLIE