Re: [Int-area] multicast over wifi and and IEEE-IETF coordination

Hi Pascal,

  I think the multicast-over-wifi discussion will be interesting for folks  in 6lo (regarding RFC6775) .

The goal is to reduce the  unnecessary signaling in the protocols and especially in efficient-nd (discussed in 6man) we had many rounds of discussions on wifi multicast behavior. 

Fixing 802.11 behavior for multicast will be helpful in many usecases to properly handle multicast messages.  However, I believe in general the protocols should reduce multicast signaling in  constrained node networks as well as in environments with virtual networks and VMs.

-Samita

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From: ipv6 [mailto:ipv6-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 7:22 PM
To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); Mikael Abrahamsson; Toerless Eckert (eckert)
Cc: mboned@ietf.org; 6man@ietf.org; int-area@ietf.org; 6lo@ietf.org
Subject: RE: multicast over wifi and and IEEE-IETF coordination

Hello Dan,

I'd see it useful to give this a lot of visibility and accessibility. A BoF-type meeting outside of meeting hours at this or the next IETF would probably improve that piece. INTAREA has collisions that people did not necessarily get a chance to manage in advance so interested people may miss the presentation.
I would like to be sure that most interested parties have a chance to know that this is happening at all.

Some of these discussion will relate to work happening at various WGs. Out of my hat and not copied above I see at least 6lo and MANET which deal with radios networks and need efficient network and service discovery. Cc ing 6lo because this is where RFC 6775 originated, and new work is taking place.

There will be serious discussions, and probably documents produced in the form of best practices. This work may deserve a short-termed WG on its own. A non-Wg forming BoF would help figure all that out.

Cheers,

Pascal

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ipv6 [mailto:ipv6-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Romascanu, Dan
> (Dan)
> Sent: mercredi 4 novembre 2015 10:52
> To: Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se>; Toerless Eckert (eckert) 
> <eckert@cisco.com>
> Cc: mboned@ietf.org; 6man@ietf.org; int-area@ietf.org
> Subject: RE: multicast over wifi and and IEEE-IETF coordination
> 
> Does anybody believe there is a better/other place to go with this 
> information?
> 
> Thanks and Regards,
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ipv6 [mailto:ipv6-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mikael 
> > Abrahamsson
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 2:57 AM
> > To: Toerless Eckert
> > Cc: mboned@ietf.org; 6man@ietf.org; int-area@ietf.org
> > Subject: Re: multicast over wifi and and IEEE-IETF coordination
> >
> > On Tue, 3 Nov 2015, Toerless Eckert wrote:
> >
> > > [sorry, resending with correct email aliases]
> > >
> > > Mikael:
> > >
> > > Any reason to choose INTAREA ?
> >
> > I didn't choose anything, INTAREA was chosen by the people in the 
> > coordination group that includes several ADs. The multicast over 
> > wifi issue has been raised in multiple working groups.
> >
> > > There is already a draft in mboned:
> > >
> > > draft-mcbride-mboned-wifi-mcast-problem-statement-00.txt
> > >
> > > and... mboned runs in parallel to intarea this time *sigh* and... 
> > > i am sure mboned participants would love to hear your preso about IEEE.
> >
> > So thanks for including mboned so that people there are aware that 
> > this is discussed in INTAREA. MBONED is not alone in having 
> > conflicts with INTAREA, there are other low-power wireless 
> > technology people who also have conflicts. Please discuss this issue 
> > on the INTAREA mailing list, and you can watch the presentation 
> > (it's not mine) after the fact on for instance Meetecho. I don't 
> > believe there is much time for discussion in the INTAREA meeting, 
> > they have a packed agenda already if I
> understood correctly.
> >
> > --
> > Mikael Abrahamsson    email: swmike@swm.pp.se
> >
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