Re: [scim] Proposal to create a design team
Hannes Tschofenig <hannes.tschofenig@gmx.net> Thu, 18 October 2012 18:49 UTC
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Subject: Re: [scim] Proposal to create a design team
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Which conference call last Wednesday? I did not see a conference call announcement on the list. Sent from my ASUS Pad Phil Hunt <phil.hunt@oracle.com> wrote: >All these points and more were discussed on the con call last Wednesday. The chairs did a great job and more importantly they reported back to the WG. > >I don't see a problem here. > >Phil > >@independentid >www.independentid.com >phil.hunt@oracle.com > > > > > >On 2012-10-18, at 10:25 AM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote: > >> Hi Igor, >> >> I am not sure what you mean. Here is what the IESG says about design teams: http://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/design-team.html >> >> Ciao >> Hannes >> >> PS: Btw, although http://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/design-team.html says that >> " >> The key point here is that the output of a design team is input to a working group, not a final document. >> " >> I think it is a rather theoretical statement. >> >> I have been involved in about 20 design teams and I have never had the case where the output of the design team was rejected by the group. >> >> On 10/18/2012 08:16 PM, Igor Faynberg wrote: >>> I tend to stick to Eliot- the-Stick-in-the-Mud's principle on that >>> issue, but my questions are from the other end of spectrum. >>> >>> The precedence is such as that a design team can be created either 1) >>> outside of a working group (as was the case of the SIN design team 12 >>> years ago) or 2) as part of a working group (what with SIP WG design >>> teams). >>> >>> I take it that the proposal is for the case 2, but so far we seem to >>> have a fairly small group, vis-a-vis that gigantic SIP WG, whose sheer >>> size necessitated parallelism. And hence question is why a separate >>> subset group is needed at all. Of course, people may have specific >>> interests, and nothing prevents them from forming a special interest >>> group, writing drafts and getting them through the WG process. >>> >>> In short, what privileges will the official /design team /have in the >>> process vs. a typical de-facto design team? >>> >>> Igor >>> >>> On 10/18/2012 11:32 AM, Eliot Lear wrote: >>>> Leif, Morteza, >>>> >>>> I'm sorry to be a stick in the mud, but I don't understand the >>>> objective of this design team. Let's start with an easy question: >>>> >>>> * What work are they supposed to do? What issues are they supposed >>>> to address? >>>> >>>> Put another way, I was not of the understanding that what is posted is >>>> a strawman, but based on running code. If there is running code, it >>>> seems to me that the onus is on those in the WG to state issues. >>>> There are a number, as I understand it. A design team is necessary >>>> when something needs to be designed. What here needs to be designed >>>> >>>> Now to answer my question in part, there is this dangling reference to >>>> ServiceProviderConfigs. Is that needed or should it be removed? >>>> >>>> I guess what I'm asking for is just a bit more scope, please. >>>> >>>> Eliot >>>> >>>> >>>> On 10/11/12 11:31 AM, Leif Johansson wrote: >>>>> On 10/11/2012 09:02 AM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote: >>>>> > Hi chairs, >>>>> >>>>> > Are we talking about this document: >>>>> > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-scim-api/ >>>>> >>>>> > Looks like a strawman proposal to me already right now. >>>>> >>>>> We are talking about a strawman for the next major revision of >>>>> that document and the schema document. >>>>> >>>>> It is great to see so many are willing to participate. Please >>>>> note that participation in a design-team requires active >>>>> participation and time comittment. >>>>> >>>>> Best R >>>>> Leif >>>>> >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> > scim mailing list >>>> >>>> > scim@ietf.org >>>> >>>> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/scim >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> scim mailing list >>>> scim@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/scim >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> scim mailing list >>> scim@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/scim >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> scim mailing list >> scim@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/scim > >_______________________________________________ >scim mailing list >scim@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/scim
- [scim] Proposal to create a design team Morteza Ansari (moransar)
- Re: [scim] Proposal to create a design team Erik Wahlström
- Re: [scim] Proposal to create a design team Dale Olds
- Re: [scim] Proposal to create a design team Hasini Gunasinghe
- Re: [scim] Proposal to create a design team Daniel Park
- Re: [scim] Proposal to create a design team Likepeng
- Re: [scim] Proposal to create a design team Charliemortimore
- Re: [scim] Proposal to create a design team Samuel Erdtman
- Re: [scim] Proposal to create a design team Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [scim] Proposal to create a design team Leif Johansson
- Re: [scim] Proposal to create a design team Eliot Lear
- Re: [scim] Proposal to create a design team Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [scim] Proposal to create a design team Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [scim] Proposal to create a design team Melinda Shore
- Re: [scim] Proposal to create a design team Igor Faynberg
- Re: [scim] Proposal to create a design team Igor Faynberg
- Re: [scim] Proposal to create a design team Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [scim] Proposal to create a design team Phil Hunt
- Re: [scim] Proposal to create a design team Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [scim] Proposal to create a design team Igor Faynberg
- Re: [scim] Proposal to create a design team SM
- Re: [scim] Proposal to create a design team Igor Faynberg
- Re: [scim] Proposal to create a design team Leif Johansson
- Re: [scim] Proposal to create a design team Leif Johansson
- Re: [scim] Proposal to create a design team Leif Johansson
- Re: [scim] Proposal to create a design team Leif Johansson
- Re: [scim] Proposal to create a design team Leif Johansson
- Re: [scim] Proposal to create a design team Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [scim] Proposal to create a design team Leif Johansson
- Re: [scim] Proposal to create a design team Michael Hammer
- Re: [scim] Proposal to create a design team Leif Johansson
- Re: [scim] Proposal to create a design team Pam Dingle
- Re: [scim] Proposal to create a design team Leif Johansson
- Re: [scim] Proposal to create a design team Eliot Lear
- Re: [scim] Proposal to create a design team Leif Johansson