Re: [Softwires] IPv6 VPNs configured over 1280 MTU tunnels
"Templin, Fred L" <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com> Fri, 08 October 2010 18:23 UTC
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From: "Templin, Fred L" <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com>
To: Softwires <softwires@ietf.org>, "v4tov6transition@ietf.org" <v4tov6transition@ietf.org>
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 11:24:17 -0700
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Subject: Re: [Softwires] IPv6 VPNs configured over 1280 MTU tunnels
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FYI, here's my tunnel MTU guy that I showed back during the Vancouver meeting (December 2007)? I think he is still left with the same conundrum today that he was back then... Fred fred.l.templin@boeing.com > -----Original Message----- > From: softwires-bounces@ietf.org > [mailto:softwires-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Templin, Fred L > Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 10:18 AM > To: Softwires; v4tov6transition@ietf.org > Subject: [Softwires] IPv6 VPNs configured over 1280 MTU tunnels > > End systems in end user networks that connect to the > IPv6 Internet will likely want to configure IPv6 VPNs, > e.g., so that they can securely connect to their home > office networks. Those VPN links must present a 1280 > minimum MTU to upper layers, but if they traverse a > link in the path with a too-small MTU then the end > system will see an MTU underrun and will need to use > IPv6 fragmentation. > > An IPv6-in-IPv4 tunnel with a fixed static 1280 MTU is > an example of a link in the path that could cause such > an MTU underrun for end system VPN links. So, should we > be concerned that tunnels with a fixed 1280 MTU would > make life difficult for the common operational practice > of end systems using VPNs? > > Thanks - Fred > fred.l.templin@boeing.com > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: v4tov6transition-bounces@ietf.org > > [mailto:v4tov6transition-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > > Templin, Fred L > > Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 7:52 AM > > To: Yiu L. Lee; Brian E Carpenter; Ole Troan > > Cc: Softwires; v4tov6transition@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [v4tov6transition] [Softwires] ISP support of > > NativeIPv6across NAT44 CPEs -Proposed 6a44 Specification > > > > > > > CPE. This double tunneling tech seems scary. > > > > More to this point about double-tunneling, how were > > folks thinking that IPv6 VPNs would be run over a > > 1280 MTU IPv6-in-IPv4 tunnel? That is double-tunneling, > > and seems like it would be a quite common case, but the > > MTU seems deficient. Should it use IPv6 fragmentation? > > > > Fred > > fred.l.templin@boeing.com > > _______________________________________________ > > v4tov6transition mailing list > > v4tov6transition@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/v4tov6transition > > > _______________________________________________ > Softwires mailing list > Softwires@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires >
- Re: [Softwires] ISP support of Native IPv6 across… Yiu L. Lee
- [Softwires] ISP support of Native IPv6 across NAT… Rémi Després
- Re: [Softwires] ISP support of Native IPv6 across… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Softwires] ISP support of Native IPv6 across… Ole Troan
- Re: [Softwires] ISP support of Native IPv6 across… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Softwires] ISP support of Native IPv6 across… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [Softwires] ISP support of Native IPv6 across… Yiu L. Lee
- Re: [Softwires] ISP support of Native IPv6 across… Olivier Vautrin
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] ISP support of… Rémi Després
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] ISP support of… Ole Troan
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] ISP support of… Yiu L. Lee
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] ISP support of… Rémi Després
- Re: [Softwires] ISP support of Native IPv6 across… Rémi Després
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] ISP support of… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] ISP support of… Ole Troan
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] ISP support of… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] ISP support of… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Softwires] ISP support of Native IPv6 across… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] ISP support of… Cameron Byrne
- Re: [Softwires] IPv6 VPNs configured over 1280 MT… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] ISP support of… Rémi Després
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] ISP support of… Ole Troan
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] ISP support of… Rémi Després
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] ISP support of… Templin, Fred L
- [Softwires] IPv6 VPNs configured over 1280 MTU tu… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] ISP support of… Yiu L. Lee
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] ISP support of… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] ISP support of… Yiu L. Lee
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] ISP support of… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] ISP support of… Yiu L. Lee
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] IPv6 VPNs conf… Washam Fan
- Re: [Softwires] ISP support of Native IPv6 across… Tina TSOU
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] ISP support of… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] IPv6 VPNs conf… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] IPv6 VPNs conf… Rémi Després
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] IPv6 VPNs conf… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] IPv6 VPNs conf… Rémi Després
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] IPv6 VPNs conf… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] IPv6 VPNs conf… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] IPv6 VPNs conf… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] IPv6 VPNs conf… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] IPv6 VPNs conf… Washam Fan
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] IPv6 VPNs conf… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] IPv6 VPNs conf… Washam Fan
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] 6a44 MTU issues Rémi Després
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] IPv6 VPNs conf… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] 6a44 MTU issues Templin, Fred L
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] 6a44 MTU issues Rémi Després
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] 6a44 MTU issues Templin, Fred L
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] 6a44 MTU issues Rémi Després
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] IPv6 VPNs conf… Washam Fan
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] 6a44 MTU issues Templin, Fred L
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] IPv6 VPNs conf… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] IPv6 VPNs conf… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] IPv6 VPNs conf… Templin, Fred L