Re: [TLS] draft-rhrd (Was: Re: Update on TLS 1.3 Middlebox Issues)

+1 to Stephen.

Regards,
Uri

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> On Oct 8, 2017, at 18:34, Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On 08/10/17 23:22, Eric Rescorla wrote:
>> You seem to be responding to some other thread. 
> 
> Yep. I changed the subject line.
> 
> Randy's substantive message however is crystal clear. And is
> one that WG participants ought take to heart IMO. Pretending
> that some changes to TLS would magically be limited in scope
> to so-called "data centres" is BS. I'm really really puzzled
> that some otherwise sensible folks appear unable to see that.
> 
> S
> 
> 
>> As both Adam Langley and I
>> mentioned, none of the changes that anyone is investigating for reducing
>> middlebox-induced breakage affect the cryptographic properties of TLS.
>> 
>> -Ekr
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> there are a lot of us lurkers out here a bit horrified watching this wg
>>> go off the rails.
>>> 
>>> it would help if vendors of devices which break privacy would stop
>>> speaking for 'datacenters' and let datacenters speak for themselves.  i
>>> have not seen any doing so.  my $dayjob has >10 medium sized datacenters
>>> serving everything from banks to telcos to scaled cloud services.  i can
>>> not find folk in our datacenter groups who see a need to break e2e
>>> encryption.
>>> 
>>> if the interception proposals ensured that user is notified and able to
>>> prevent session interception, then i would believe this.  but if they do
>>> not, then let's face it, this is all about selling surveillance gear to
>>> snooping enterprises and repressive regiemes where people with guns take
>>> you away at 3am because your session was decoded.
>>> 
>>> can we please provide real end to end privacy or call this wg something
>>> else?
>>> 
>>> randy
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Re: [TLS] draft-rhrd (Was: Re: Update on TLS 1.3 Middlebox Issues)

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