Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec-chain-extension
Viktor Dukhovni <ietf-dane@dukhovni.org> Thu, 05 April 2018 03:30 UTC
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Subject: Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec-chain-extension
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> On Apr 4, 2018, at 10:34 PM, Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com> wrote: > > I can see why: you have to commit to one certificate in the chain not > changing. Whereas here you only have to commit to continue to publish > TLSA RRs (and signing them and your zone). This is a big difference. Even more strongly NOT ONLY do you not actually commit to publishing TLSA records going forward since with (A) (denial of existence) you can just prove they don't exist. You can even stop using DNSSEC for your domain entirely. And yet still support the extension and just furnish proof (again denial of existence) that your domain is no longer signed (i.e. no DS records in the parent or ancestor thereof as signed by that parent or ancestor). THEREFORE, the pin is *precisely* just a capability pin (like STS), saying I can present the extension, there is NO obligation to provide any specific content in that extension. -- Viktor.
- [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec-cha… Joseph Salowey
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Paul Wouters
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Richard Barnes
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Melinda Shore
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Martin Thomson
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Nico Williams
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Nico Williams
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Nico Williams
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Richard Barnes
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Nico Williams
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Nico Williams
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Nico Williams
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Richard Barnes
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Nico Williams
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Nico Williams
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Nico Williams
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Martin Thomson
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Ilari Liusvaara
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Paul Wouters
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Paul Wouters
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Paul Wouters
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Paul Wouters
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Nico Williams
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Nico Williams
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Viktor Dukhovni
- [TLS] DPRIV has the downgrade too (Re: Consensus … Nico Williams
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Tim Hollebeek
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Shumon Huque
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Willem Toorop
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Paul Wouters
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Shumon Huque
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Shumon Huque
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… James Cloos
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Nico Williams
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Melinda Shore
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Nico Williams
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Nico Williams
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Viktor Dukhovni
- [TLS] A new argument (Re: Consensus Call on draft… Nico Williams
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Paul Wouters
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Richard Barnes
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Paul Wouters
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Richard Barnes
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Kathleen Moriarty
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Willem Toorop
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] [dane] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls… John Gilmore
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Ilari Liusvaara
- Re: [TLS] [dane] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] [dane] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Melinda Shore
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Martin Thomson
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Richard Barnes
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Melinda Shore
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Shumon Huque
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Martin Thomson
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Willem Toorop
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… James Cloos
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Melinda Shore
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Sam Hartman
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Nico Williams
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Jim Fenton
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Nico Williams
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Nico Williams
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Richard Barnes
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Nico Williams
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Nico Williams
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Bill Frantz
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Paul Wouters
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Nico Williams
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Joseph Salowey
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Richard Barnes
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Melinda Shore
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Paul Wouters
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Richard Barnes
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Richard Barnes
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Nico Williams
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Richard Barnes
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Richard Barnes
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Nico Williams
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Shumon Huque
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Nico Williams
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Joseph Salowey
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec… Joseph Salowey