[xrblock] Comments on burst loss/discard drafts

Alan Clark <alan.d.clark@telchemy.com> Tue, 15 November 2011 03:07 UTC

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From: Alan Clark <alan.d.clark@telchemy.com>
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Subject: [xrblock] Comments on burst loss/discard drafts
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I will not be at the XRBLOCK meeting however would appreciate the following
comment being considered as part of the discussion on burst loss/discard.

Packet loss and PDV/jitter (and hence discards) are often caused by
congestion - i.e. the same cause - and can therefore occur at the same time.
>From the perspective of the impact of loss and discard on user perceived
quality - they have a combined effect and need to be considered together.
If there are separate metrics for packet loss bursts/gaps and packet discard
burst/gaps then any timing relationship between these is lost.

- It is therefore desirable to have a burst/gap loss/discard metric block.
- Having a burst/gap loss block has some utility as loss can be caused by
layer 1/2 problems.
- Having a burst/gap discard block has limited usefulness

So have one of:

- Burst/Gap Loss/Discard
or
- Burst/Gap Loss/Discard, Burst/Gap Loss
or
- Burst/Gap Loss/Discard, Burst/Gap Loss, Burst/Gap Discard

Alan