IETF 103 - Homenet Agenda Bangkok, Thailand 13:50-15:20 local time (Wednesday Afternoon session I) Chitlada 3 room Chairs: Stephen Farrell, Barbara Stark Minutes: Stuart Cheshire Jabber: Mikael Abrahamsson ============ Agenda ============ Administrivia and Status Update (5m) - Blue Sheets - Note taker - TBC - Jabber relay - TBC Simple Naming (Ted Lemon, 50 min) -- 15 minutes of this time will be dedicated to allowing people who don't know what's going on to ask questions. -- draft has undergone significant changes -- please read SecureHomeGateway project demo video (Michael Richardson, 15 minutes) Securing the home network ? where are we at? Charter ? should we recharter? AOB and wrap-up (5 min) ============= Minutes ============= ---------------------------------------------- Administrivia and Status Update ---------------------------------------------- Chairs presented Chair Slides https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/slides-103-homenet-chair-slides/01/ No agenda bashing occurred. ---------------------------------------------- Simple Naming ---------------------------------------------- Ted Lemon presented slides. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/slides-103-homenet-homenet-naming-architecture/00/ Ted: Supporting DNS queries in multiple provisioning domains may require an EDNS(0). Stephen Farrell: What is the process is to get an EDNS(0) codepoint assigned? Ted Lemon: Expert Review (RFC 6891) Barbara Stark: What impediments are discouraging vendors from rushing forward to adop this? Jared Mauch, Akamai: People want their home networks to be simple and reliable. Michael Richardson: This shows that our documents are not communicating our intent clearly. Ted Lemon: Jared, have you read the document? Jared Mauch: No, I haven’t. Mikael Abrahamsson: For my management, responding to customer requests to fix bad Wi-Fi take higher priority. Ted Lemon: This might be a good point to move to the “marketing” discussion. Ted gave a broad comparison of layer-two vs. layer-three solutions, while laying out perceived issues with homenet. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/slides-103-homenet-aobif-time-allows-homenet-marketing-problem/00/ Juliusz Chroboczek (via jabber): Layer 2 mobility is an interesting issue, and one that we've been struggling with for years. Mikael Abrahamsson: At home I use an Ethernet backbone with two Ubiquiti Wi-Fi access points, precisely because this works better. David Thaler: There are many ancient applications that embed their own discovery mechanisms using multicast or broadcast. Layer-two solutions, if they work properly, keep these discovery mechanisms working, even if it’s not efficient. Stephen McCann: The new IEEE 802.11aq standard adds service discovery. Michael Richardson: We need a way to have TLS certificates for devices on the local network that don’t have globally unique names. We need browser vendors to support IPv6 link-local addresses with interface identifiers. Jared Mauch: Typing in FE80... addresses is not very user-friendly. Barbara Stark: Do we have anyone else willing to help work on this? Jared Mauch: I will help. Terry Manderson: This has been an excellent discussion. The IETF’s goal is to make the Internet work better. We need to work out whether this work meets that goal. Ted presented slides https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/slides-103-homenet-hncp-updates/00/ ------------------------------------ SecureHomeGateway project demo video ------------------------------------ Michael Richardson presented Showed YouTube video David Thaler, Microsoft: Where does it get the MUD file from? Michael Richardson: From the QR code. David Thaler, Microsoft: What work does Homenet need to do here? David Thaler, Microsoft: What app would perform this on-boarding process? Michael Richardson: In this case it was a demo. For a real product it would be the app for that product. ----------------------------------- Charter ----------------------------------- No charter discussion ----------------------------------- AOB and wrap-up ----------------------------------- Mikael Abrahamsson described his experience trying to deploy homenet into his home.