IPWAVE WG meeting at IETF 103 TUESDAY, 6 November 2018 at 11:20-12:20, Meeting 2 Chairs: Russ Housley, Carlos J. Bernardos Minute takers: Jong-Hyouk Lee, Carlos J. Bernardos Jabber scribe: Russ Housley ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 11:20 Administrativia Presenters: Russ Housley (RH) and Carlos Bernardos (CB) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ CB bashes the agenda. RH reports on a liaison from ITU-T SG16. CB reports on the WG status update, with two active WG documents: one about transmission of IPv6 over IEEE802.11-OCB and one on problem statement and survey. The first document received some comments from 6man and during the session it will be discussed if changes remain to be done Regarding the PS document, at least 2 additional reviews are needed before the document is progressed. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ** IPWAVE WG documents 11:35 Transmission of IPv6 Packets over IEEE 802.11 Networks ... 20 min in mode Outside the Context of a Basic Service Set Presenter: Nabil Benamar (NB) Draft: draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-30 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ NB presents the slides, highlighting some modifications for comments from 6man. Erik Nordmark (EN) comments that a sentence in te draft about reliability is not correct and that unicast transmission is as bad as multicast in 802.11-OCB, as there are no ACKs. CB comments that 6man comments should be solved. The current document is not providing the solved issues. We need another revision of this document. Suresh Krishan (SK), AD: The document needs changes; even if it takes time, we need to do. Authors should go to 6man and address the issues to solve all of them. SK asks if using an issue tracker could help, but it is decided to keep using the mailing list. EN: all the changes made to address 6man comments should be shown. CB asks authors to send an e-mail summarizing how each of the 6man reviews have been addressed. This needs to be clear to go back to 6man for a second review. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 11:55 IP Wireless Access in Vehicular Environments (IPWAVE): .. 20 min Problem Statement and Use Cases Presenter: Jaehoon Paul Jeong (PJ) Draft: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-07 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ PK presents the vanet architecture with new link model, v2i, and v2v communications. PJ explains that due to the new vehicular wireless link model, the current ND protocol needed to be extended or improved. CB ask for 2 volunteers to review the document. Sri Gundavelli and Charles Perkins agree to do it. Rahul Jadhav (RJ) comments on link layer and authentication. Sri Gundavelli (SG): we do not make a specific solution in this document, responding to RJ. It is a high level document. Amelia Andersdotter (AA) points the human right review. PJ says that they can discuss offline about that. EN asks if there is any experience in handovers between RSUs, any implementation test. PJ responds that no real experience done but experiments in the lab and simulations. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ** Additional topics 12:15 IPv6 Neighbor Discovery for IP-Based Vehicular Networks ... 5 min Presenter: Jaehoon Paul Jeong (PJ) Draft: draft-xiang-ipwave-vehicular-neighbor-discovery-00 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ PJ presents the draft. SG comments that the RSU seems to be a layer-2 node. PJ replies that it is a layer-3 node. SG says that it is not a layer-3 node, that discussion is needed SK asks why there are two different documents (the one presented and another one). PJ responds tha the documents are going to be merged. CB comments that it would be good to have a hackathon on ipwave in the next meeting. Nabil's team has been playing with implementation and PJ's teams is also willing to participate and collaborate. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ (time permitting) Transport Layer Security (TLS) Authentication using ITS ... 5 min ETSI and IEEE Certificates Presenter: Mounira Msahli (MM) Draft: no draft ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MM presents the draft. No questions.