2.5.7 SNA NAU Services MIB (snanau)


This Working Group Did Not Meet
, but held an Interim Meeting

NOTE: This charter is a snapshot of the 41st IETF Meeting in Los Angeles, California. It may now be out-of-date. Last Modified: 08-Oct-97

Chair(s):

Robert Moore <remoore@us.ibm.com>

Routing Area Director(s):

Joel Halpern <jhalpern@newbridge.com>

Routing Area Advisor:

Joel Halpern <jhalpern@newbridge.com>

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Description of Working Group:

The SNA NAU MIB Working Group is chartered to define a set of managed objects for SNA Network Accessible Units. These objects will provide the ability to monitor and control those devices, providing fault, configuration, and performance management, and will be consistent with the SNMP framework and existing SNMP standards.

The working group has completed MIBs for base SNA NAU functions, for LU Type 6.2 or APPC (Advanced Program-to-Program Communication), and for APPN (Advanced Peer-to-Peer Networking). MIBs for Dependent LU Requester (DLUR) and for HPR (High Performance Routing) are nearing completion. The working group is currently working on a MIB for APPN Extended Border Node (EBN).

The working group will make sure that its work is aligned with the SNA DLC MIB Working Group, due to the close relationship between the devices being worked on by the two groups.

Goals and Milestones:

Done

  

Begin discussion of proprietary MIBS and develop a single proposal.

Done

  

Post an Internet-Draft of the SNA NAU Services MIB.

Done

  

Submit the SNA NAU Services MIB to the IESG for consideration as a Proposed Standard.

Done

  

Post proprietary MIB modules.

Done

  

Develop and post a single proposal for structure of the MIB module.

Done

  

Meet at IETF to review proposed structure/walk through.

Done

  

Post Internet-Draft of the APPC MIB.

Done

  

Post second Internet-Draft of APPC MIB.

Done

  

Meet at IETF to review MIB (if necessary).

Done

  

Achieve consensus on the final Internet-Draft.

Done

  

Post Internet-Draft of the APPN MIB.

Done

  

Submit revised APPN MIB to as an Internet-Draft.

Done

  

Submit the APPC MIB Internet-Draft to the IESG for consideration as a Proposed Standard.

Done

  

Achieve consensus on the new SNA NAU MIB Internet-Draft.

Done

  

Post Internet-Draft of HPR MIB.

Done

  

Submit the SNA NAU MIB Internet-Draft to the IESG for consideration as a Proposed Standard.

Done

  

Submit revised HPR MIB as an Internet-Draft.

Done

  

Submit HPR MIB Internet-Draft to IESG for consideration as a Proposed Standard.

Done

  

Submit DLUR MIB to the IESG for consideration as a Proposed Standard.

Aug 97

  

Post Internet-Draft of EBN MIB.

Oct 97

  

Submit revised EBN MIB Internet-Draft.

Dec 97

  

Submit APPN MIB to IESG for consideration as a Draft Standard.

Dec 97

  

Submit APPC MIB to the IESG for consideration as a Draft Standard.

Dec 97

  

Submit EBN MIB to IESG for consideration as a Proposed Standard.

Internet-Drafts:

Request For Comments:

RFC

Status

Title

 

RFC1665

PS

Definitions of Managed Objects for SNA NAUs using SMIv2

RFC1666

PS

Definitions of Managed Objects for SNA NAUs using SMIv2

RFC2051

PS

Definitions of Managed Objects for APPC

RFC2155

PS

Definitions of Managed Objects for APPN using SMIv2

RFC2232

PS

Definitions of Managed Objects for DLUR using SMIv2

RFC2238

PS

Definitions of Managed Objects for HPR using SMIv2

Current Meeting Report

Minutes of the SNA NAU Services MIB (snanau) Working Group

The IETF SNA NAU MIB WG and the AIW APPN MIBs SIG held a joint meeting in Raleigh, North Carolina at AIW 16 (3/18/98). Bob Moore chaired the meeting.

The following people were present:

Bob Moore, IBM remoore@us.ibm.com
Bob Clouston, Cisco rclousto@cisco.com
Victor Freyer, Cisco vfreyer@cisco.com
Jim Cobban, Nortel jcobban@nortel.ca
Matthew Finlayson, DCL mcf@datcon.co.uk
Mike Evans, DCL mike@datcon.co.uk
Dennis Chimienti, Wall Data dchimien@walldata.com
Mike Cambria, Lucent Tech. mcambria@lucent.com
Uwe Staebeler, HOB ustaebel@hob.de
Richard Wunderlich, HOB rwunder@hob.de
Sudhakar Velkanthan, IBM svelkant@us.ibm.com
Gary Dudley, IBM dudleyg@us.ibm.com
Ralph Case, IBM caser@us.ibm.com
Ed Tremblay, IBM tremblay@us.ibm.com
Bill Graves, IBM wgraves@us.ibm.com
Hwaam Lee, IBM hwaam@us.ibm.com

Special thanks to all those who contributed to the very successful technical discussions that took place during meeting.

The following items were discussed in the meeting:

I. First draft of v2 of the APPN MIB (ietf-snanau-appnmib-v2-00.txt)

· We agreed that given both the state of the MIB and the state of the IETF's thinking on demonstrating interoperability for MIB implementations, we should put version 2 of the APPN MIB forward for approval as a second Proposed Standard, rather than for approval as a Draft Standard.
· We reaffirmed our approval of the MLTG and link counter type objects that we had approved earlier.
· In discussing the previously approved Branch Extender objects, we decided that the whole question of how these objects fit into the rest of the MIB should be examined. This was done at a (somewhat) separate post-meeting; the results of this meeting are documented below, under item 8.
· We considered two alternatives for the Year-2000-unready object appnNodeMib Version:

We agreed on the second of these two alternatives.

II. First draft of the APPN Traps MIB (ietf-snanau-appntrapmib-00.txt)

· The only technical issue we discussed was splitting the conformance groups up, so that implementations would have the option of omitting the DLUR trap and its associated objects (e.g., if they didn't support DLUR) or the ISR counters trap (e.g., if they didn't support ISR). The group agreed to this change.
· With the inclusion of this one change to the conformance section, the MIB SIG (and the AIW) agreed to AIW Approved Pages status for ietf-snanau-appnmib-v2-00.txt. An updated version of the document will be distributed by 3/27, with electronic AIW Closed Pages status targeted for two weeks after that date.

III. Attendees were polled for any additional implementation experience for the DLUR and HPR MIBs (RFC 2232 and 2238, respectively), but no one responded.

IV. Status of the EBN MIB

The SIG / WG is still in agreement with the current draft, draft-ietf-snanau-ebnmib-01.txt. This MIB has been stalled for several months in the IETF, waiting for a review from Randy Presuhn. Since this is not the only MIB of ours that's awaiting Randy's review, and since there are also MIBs from the tn3270e WG on Randy's review queue, Bob Moore agreed to raise with Randy and with the Routing Area Director, Joel Halpern, the whole question of what to do about reviews for our MIBs.

V. HPR-IP MIB

We noted that the HPR-IP MIB had received AIW Closed Pages status as a part of the HPR-IP Architecture specification. (We also noted that the MIB was *not* a part of the Informational-RFC version of the specification that Gary Dudley submitted to the RFC Editor.) We agreed that we would handle this MIB in the same way we've been handling our other MIBs: create an Internet-Draft that includes it, get WG consensus on the I-D, and then submit it to the IESG for progression to Proposed Standard status.

VI. APPC MIB

We discussed the current and future status of this MIB. A question was raised about the possibility of subsetting the MIB (presumably fairly dramatically) to create something that APPN network nodes might implement to provide instrumentation for the APPN control sessions. There was consensus that this was probably a good idea, but nobody agreed to do it, and no network node vendor committed to implementing such a subset if it were defined.

VII. Schedule for Future Work

We discussed schedules for future work in the context of updating our IETF SNA NAU MIB WG charter. (We also discussed updating our AIW charter, but it's not as rigorous about requiring dates.) Taking the October 8, 1997 version of our IETF charter (i.e., the version on the IETF web site) as our starting point, we agreed to the following changes. All but the first of these apply to the section "Goals and Milestones."

Add the following entries:

Done Post v2 APPN MIB Internet-Draft

Done Post APPN Traps MIB Internet-Draft

May 98 Post revised APPN MIB v2 Internet-Draft

May 98 Post revised APPN Traps MIB Internet-Draft

May 98 Post HPR-IP MIB Internet-Draft

May 98 Submit EBN MIB Internet-Draft to IESG for consideration as a Proposed Standard

June98 Submit v2 APPN MIB Internet-Draft to IESG for consideration as a Proposed Standard

June 98 Submit APPN Trap MIB Internet-Draft to IESG for consideration as a Proposed Standard

June 98 Submit EBN MIB Internet-Draft to IESG consideration as a Proposed Standard

June 98 Submit HPR-IP Internet-Draft to IESG consideration as a Proposed Standard

VIII. Treatment of Branch Extenders in the APPN MIB:

Architecturally a Branch Extender (BX) is characterized as an APPN network node with certain additional capabilities, in somewhat the same way that an EBN is characterized. (In our MIBs a BX is ordinarily termed a Branch Network Node (BrNN); the two terms mean exactly the same things.) In fact a BX presents two "faces": an end node (EN) face upstream in the direction of the WAN, and a network node (NN) face downstream to nodes in the branch.

We decided that a BX should (actually "SHALL" in the new IETF lexicon) behave as follows in its implementation of the APPN MIB:

This conformance group will also indicate that a BX returns "endNode(2)" as its node type.

The next planned meeting for the WG / SIG is at AIW 17; the date and location for AIW 17 have not yet been decided.

Minutes submitted by Bob Moore, IBM Networking Software.

Slides

None Received

Attendees List

Roster Not Submitted