ldapbis@conference.ietf.jabber.com - 2002/11/21
[06:54] %% leifj has arrived.
[07:00] <leifj> meeting just about to start
[07:00] <leifj> me scribe
[07:03] <leifj> agenda up on the board:
[07:04] %% mrose has arrived.
[07:04] <leifj> ldapbis-roadmap, -dn,-url,-filter,-protocol,-authmeth,-syntaxes,-user-schema,-mofrld,zeileiga-ldapbis-strpro (5-15 min each)
[07:04] <leifj> s/mofrid/models/g
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[07:15] <leifj> meeting starts
[07:16] %% agaton has arrived.
[07:16] <leifj> agenda bashing & blue sheet
[07:16] <leifj> agenda send to list a few days ago.. taken as is by the room
[07:17] <leifj> implementation report (chars)
[07:17] <leifj> goal: remaining documents to last call after meeting
[07:17] <leifj> some hard problems left (stringprep)
[07:18] <leifj> maybe update milestones
[07:18] * leifj has set the topic to: implementation report
[07:18] <leifj> filterspec has some interop information
[07:18] <leifj> url less so
[07:18] %% paf has arrived.
[07:19] <leifj> looking for more vendors/implementors to answer quiz (especially for urls)
[07:19] * leifj has set the topic to: roadmap
[07:19] <leifj> more or less done
[07:20] * leifj has set the topic to: dn specification
[07:20] <leifj> no changes since last meeting. 1 outstanding issue
[07:20] <leifj> use an IANA registry to list allowable attributes in dn's
[07:21] %% rlbob has arrived.
[07:21] <leifj> konsensus is to use 1 registry for both shortnames and dn attributes
[07:21] <leifj> chair asks for comments on the dn and roadmap
[07:22] <leifj> s/konsensus/consensus/g :-)
[07:22] <leifj> url author not present so take comments to the list.
[07:23] * leifj has set the topic to: filter
[07:23] <leifj> some recent comments on the list summarized by chari
[07:23] <leifj> s/chari/chair/
[07:24] <leifj> chair asks for comments from the room on human-readable vs escaping
[07:25] <leifj> mark w at mic
[07:25] <leifj> servers are liberal in what they expect
[07:25] <leifj> clients send both forms
[07:26] <leifj> humanreadability may not imply anything about escaping
[07:26] <leifj> kurt: comment (missed contents)
[07:27] <leifj> kurt: consensus seems to leav the current text as is (no escaping req)
[07:27] * leifj has set the topic to: protocol
[07:27] <leifj> jim s presents (setting up laptop)
[07:27] <leifj> bad feedback
[07:28] <leifj> chair fiddling with mics
[07:29] <leifj> changes in appendix c.10, c11 and c.12
[07:29] <leifj> jim describes some nits
[07:30] <leifj> message id re-use, which ops cannot be abandoned, controls issues, move starttls into protocol doc
[07:30] <leifj> jim describes work to do
[07:32] <leifj> referrals pointing to empty DN -- mostly worked out on the list
[07:32] <leifj> chair asks abou the sense of the list
[07:32] <leifj> jim: an empty url in a ref doesn't make sense
[07:33] <leifj> jim expands on the various cases where empty dn's could turn up
[07:34] <leifj> chair: there is no semantical diff between absent and empty...
[07:35] <leifj> jim: exactly. unclear if this causes a problem.
[07:35] <leifj> jim: more work to do
[07:36] <leifj> jim describes an issue with abandon and message-IDs
[07:38] <leifj> scribe comment
[07:38] <leifj> jim: going forward
[07:39] <leifj> jim: folding in changes and submit shortly after meeting and ready for wg last call within 8 weeks
[07:39] <leifj> chair: ;binary issues?
[07:40] <leifj> jim: document in the changelog why we removed it ...
[07:41] <leifj> chair: discussed with pkix, contentious issue
[07:42] <leifj> chair: conclusion is that as a general feature ;binary must go.
[07:43] <leifj> chair expands on the issue...
[07:45] <leifj> chair describes the transition plan for ;binary for userCertificate (and related attributes)
[07:46] <leifj> chair: follow existing usage of ;binary for the use by pkix using current attributes, deprecate other uses of ;binary
[07:47] <leifj> paf at mic
[07:47] <leifj> paf: *really* important that all invoved parties understand this time
[07:48] <leifj> paf: extra care!
[07:49] <leifj> chair: agree
[07:49] <leifj> paf: other issues are involved in the current situation (with pkix)
[07:50] <leifj> chair: dnssrv location/dn to domain owned by ldapext
[07:50] * leifj has set the topic to: authmeth
[07:51] <leifj> harrisson (sp?) presents
[07:51] <leifj> list of changes on the board
[07:51] <leifj> describes various nits
[07:52] <leifj> some issues resolved wo changes to the document
[07:53] <leifj> abnf updated, start-tls moved to protocol doc, mod association state table
[07:54] <leifj> remaining issues
[07:54] <leifj> G.24: abandon of bind -- proposed text discussed
[07:56] <leifj> chair: discussion on the semantics
[07:57] <leifj> G.27: what happens to the ldap connection if tls closes?
[07:57] <leifj> proposed text discussed... basically there is a way to keep the assoc using TLS closure alert...
[07:58] <leifj> G.28: how to select between multiple SASL EXTERNAL alternatives?
[07:58] <leifj> propose that this is resolved by SASL section 4.2 text
[07:59] <leifj> chair: issue about authorization ids raised...
[07:59] <leifj> chair: stringprep involved...
[08:00] <leifj> G.25: use of derived form of server names allowed during server name check
[08:01] <leifj> consensus seems to support a very strict interp. disallowing all derived forms
[08:01] <leifj> chair: maybe if you have dnssec...
[08:02] <leifj> scribe comment
[08:03] <leifj> chair: using current dns technology no derivation should be made...
[08:03] <leifj> G.18: must SASL DN exist in the directory?
[08:04] <leifj> proposal: delete paragraph not needed for interop
[08:05] <leifj> chair: list discussion seems to support making the change...
[08:06] <leifj> Issue: Wording on Digest MD5 doesn't reflect consensus; proposes rewording.
[08:07] <leifj> discussion about implementation of digest-md5
[08:08] <leifj> chair asks q about interop-testing (using various feat of digest-md5) between vendors.
[08:08] <leifj> harrisson: interop testing needed to keep req of digest-md5 in the document
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[08:11] <leifj> Loose ends...
[08:13] <leifj> please read and comment!
[08:13] <leifj> Going forward:
[08:13] <leifj> expect resubmit in 4-6 weeks
[08:14] <leifj> wg last call before IETF-56
[08:14] <leifj> char: SASL wg in the works
[08:15] <leifj> chair: digest-md5 will move (?) to new sasl-wg
[08:15] * leifj has set the topic to: syntaxes
[08:15] <leifj> no changes since last meeting -- next rev within a week or so
[08:16] <leifj> legg presents btw
[08:16] <leifj> document contains defs of syntaxes and matching-rules -- removed many references to X.500 and added text describing the objects
[08:17] <leifj> legg describes some of the issues (no slides)
[08:19] <leifj> .. .x.400 references deleted ...
[08:19] <leifj> discussion about case{Exact|Ignore}* and stringprep
[08:23] * leifj has set the topic to: syntax and user schema
[08:23] <leifj> katy presents
[08:24] <leifj> s/katy/kathy/
[08:24] <leifj> version 3 out
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[08:24] <leifj> removed ;binary stuff and aligned with model-draft
[08:24] <leifj> no comments on the list
[08:25] %% leg has arrived.
[08:25] <leifj> todo: check abnf,...
[08:28] <leifj> chair: how is this affected if the X.400 (or) attributes are deleted?
[08:28] <leifj> discussion about X.400 ... legg and wahl at mic
[08:31] <leifj> chair: maybe move dc and uid to the userschema draft...
[08:32] <leifj> chair: objections?
[08:32] <leifj> no comments from the floor. presentation concluded
[08:32] * leifj has set the topic to: model
[08:33] <leifj> char summarizes status in the absence of authors
[08:33] <leifj> issue: shortnames and IANA registry
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[08:37] <leifj> chair: describes what is left before last call shortly after this meeting...
[08:38] <leifj> chair: take particular look at semantics of publishing schema
[08:39] <leifj> chair: section 4.2
[08:40] <leifj> discussion about the difference of supporting a feature and knowing about a feature/schema element
[08:42] <leifj> Chair summarizes a discussion about the objectClass attributee
[08:44] <leifj> wahl at mic
[08:45] <leifj> discussion about the semantics of removing an objectclass...
[08:45] <leifj> kurt and mark duke it out
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[08:47] <leifj> legg: schema violation specified by x.500 when oc deleted and superclass includes an attributes which is not deleted...
[08:47] <leifj> kurt: claryfy this
[08:47] * leifj has set the topic to: stringprep
[08:48] <leifj> chair: describes ldapbis-stringpro
[08:48] <leifj> chair: discussed by the x.520 itu study group
[08:50] <leifj> wahl at mic
[08:51] <leifj> is this a bugfix (same oids) for existing matching rules or a new set of oid/matchingrules
[08:51] <leifj> chair: bugfix!
[08:51] <leifj> wahl: focus on how it is implemented today, not on covering all cases.
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[08:53] <leifj> chair: (to paf at mic) q about use composed/decomposed...
[08:55] <leifj> discussion about stringprep and comparisons
[08:58] <leifj> chair expands on the backporting of diffs from X.520 v2000 to the version referenced by ldapbis
[08:58] <leifj> paf: fun stuff!
[09:00] * leifj has set the topic to: final items on the agenda
[09:01] <leifj> new milestones; req digest-md5 moved to sasl wg
[09:01] <leifj> modify list of core specs to reflect this
[09:02] <leifj> milestones up on the board (rsn)
[09:04] <leifj> chair presents list of mods to the charter
[09:04] <leifj> chair: most likely cycle at proposed (because of stringprep)
[09:07] <leifj> chair goes through the IDs and suggests times for last-call
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[09:20] <leifj> chair: milestones for ID submission to IESG needs to be split to allow for separate dates for each ID
[09:21] <leifj> chair proposes certain charter changers -- will be posted to the list
[09:21] <leifj> chair: wrapup and open mic
[09:21] <leifj> no takers on open mic -- we are done
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