provreg@conference.ietf.jabber.com - 2002/11/19


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[07:13] <japp> Agenda bashing going on--agenda changed last moment so not on line
[07:14] <japp> Security considerations about epp-07 are discuessed
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[07:16] <japp> Should there belogin/passwd command?
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[07:16] <japp> Answer from author: Yes. need clarifying text to adress this
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[07:18] <japp> issue: congestion control
[07:18] <japp> Addressed by e clearer text
[07:19] <japp> example.tld is a nono as example
[07:19] <japp> Will be changed.
[07:19] <japp> SCott: example IP adresses?
[07:20] <japp> Are there similar adresses for ipv6?
[07:20] <japp> paf: will come back to that
[07:21] <japp> Should go in the nits doc
[07:21] <japp> Randy's Bush comment: Why no granular info about provacy?
[07:23] <japp> Need to discuss that today. Many possibilaties yo choose from
[07:24] <japp> Allison's comments.
[07:24] <japp> congestion (again)
[07:24] <japp> comments abot privacy
[07:25] <japp> Was snarfed from php, needs more clarification
[07:25] <japp> How to checl xml?
[07:26] <japp> Scot: it is all new, but there are some tools available.
[07:26] <japp> provreg group ahead of iesg here.
[07:28] <japp> Limiting the load and TCP connections. Will discuss
[07:30] <japp> change text from a server May limit to A server SHOULD limit the load to prevent suggestions.
[07:31] <newcat> suggestion -> congestion ?
[07:32] <japp> yup congestion.
[07:32] <japp> text meant to limit server load, however transport people also looked at network congestion.
[07:33] <Mealling> DCCP?
[07:35] <japp> discussions over detailed changes in the actual textt. Hard to keep up with that.
[07:38] <japp> Agreement over changed text. Will be in the next version.
[07:39] <japp> This adresses server/client load
[07:39] <japp> New subjec: transport congestion.
[07:40] <japp> Can we liv with the propsed wording?
[07:42] <japp> Eric Brunermade comments about UDP elated to congestion
[07:42] <japp> paf suggests to summarize comment to send back to Allisons
[07:44] <japp> Comments about UDP being not appropriate for EPP
[07:45] <Mealling> but that the group shouldn't make UDP illegal....
[07:46] <japp> Lewis: basic question is. do we not allow datagram potocol or do we just ignore the issue.
[07:47] <Mealling> neither: explain the issue and leave additional work for the future.....
[07:47] <japp> paf: summarize the issues
[07:47] <anewton> I agree
[07:48] <japp> Subject: data collection policy
[07:49] <japp> What is <contact/>:: Contact for marketing
[07:49] <japp> Comment was: add more to definition si it is more neutral.
[07:49] <japp> Scott: there were people who romised to
[07:50] <japp> define this better, but never delivered.
[07:50] <japp> What is now in the documen is a way to extent the protocol forprivacy policy
[07:52] <japp> Rick Wesso: in relation to PHP3 stuff this marketing person is only meant for webpages.
[07:52] <japp> it seems just a quick fix and needs to better thought out.
[07:53] <anewton> s/PHP3/P3P/
[07:53] <japp> Shockley: tagging each oject with provacy might be a start. refers to a P3P meeting in Dallas.
[07:54] <japp> It will w3c years to come with results. Doesn't see how you now can do it.
[07:56] <japp> Comments: Do we want to invent the wheel on our own? this is hard.
[07:58] <japp> Rick Wesson: we really woud like take work others have done already.
[07:59] <japp> Comments: However it doesn't exist. Do we need to start this work?
[08:02] <japp> Comments: Let's do it. No, it is a slippery slope. etc.
[08:03] <japp> P3P results from Dallas are going send to the list
[08:04] <japp> Inetrmission: someone runs a wifi card in adhoc mode
[08:06] <japp> Lewis: do we reallyned to address this in provreg?
[08:06] <japp> Rick: Probably not
[08:07] <japp> Discuss this privacy more on lists and summarize
[08:07] <japp> Scott: how will we do this?
[08:08] <japp> Lewis: let's take it to the list, How EPP meets P3P.
[08:10] <japp> Let's get a better feel for he WG position before going back to the iesg
[08:11] <japp> Last Verified date proposal by Rick Wesson:
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[08:13] <japp> presentation started - last-verified
[08:14] <japp> slide 1 - quality assurance, contact info changes, PSTN elements change, cotacys dat becomes stale
[08:15] <japp> slide 2 - Last verified date: Provides last date the registrant han opportunity to acj date is accurate. Registries set ploicy on what degined is. Optional for EPP?
[08:15] <japp> Rick asks for comments
[08:16] <japp> No comments
[08:16] <japp> Lewis: really optinal?
[08:17] <japp> Rik. from the comments received on list: Yes.
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[08:18] <japp> External host obects discussion threat.
[08:18] <japp> Scott another can of worms which has been discussed at the list many times.
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[08:20] <japp> Scott summarizes that discussion.
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[08:23] <japp> SincsHong isn't here, we need probably close this of on the mailing list
[08:23] <japp> Scott: if it is an issue let's really wor on the text.
[08:24] <japp> Rock: it was an issue but we ade a choice. don't open the can ofworms again.
[08:25] <japp> Lewis: more topics aboutbase text?
[08:25] <japp> No
[08:25] <japp> Over to SOAP as transport. Jofn Peterson filling in for Hong to talk about it.
[08:26] <japp> Lewis Is this going to be w WG ite That is the secundary question if you listen to this.
[08:26] <japp> No URL given. Try to jkeepup.
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[08:28] <japp> slite 1 Why. Soap is here, so why not, Open issues: error codes. constraints by soap, harter and WG status
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[08:29] <japp> Rick: is SOAP an acual transport?
[08:29] <japp> A. kind of?
[08:30] <japp> Comment: was the http not considered by WG and refused? So why SOAP
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[08:31] <japp> Q. Looking for informational draft or something else?
[08:32] <japp> Lewis: Question is, do we take this on or not.
[08:32] <japp> Within the charter we could accept this, but do we really want to.
[08:33] <japp> Comment: SOAP is not amagicg answer saving all problems
[08:33] <japp> Leslie need more reason to decide his then just availabilaty of libraries etc.
[08:33] <japp> Lewsis citate
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[08:34] <japp> (Scrap that last one).
[08:34] <japp> Lewis s also asking Why? What?
[08:34] <japp> Leiw is sceptic. Already thrown out BEEP mapping by lack of people working on it.
[08:35] <japp> People basically didn't care enough.
[08:35] <japp> Rick: BEEP didn't had enough cloud the, maybe SOAP has now.
[08:36] <japp> Lewis: concerned how to address all the requirements in SOAP
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[08:37] <japp> Lewis: question 1 Does this has promise?
[08:38] <japp> question 2Who want to implement this with all the restrictions going down the stack
[08:39] <japp> paf: you as chairs are reluctant to take on to much bindings right?
[08:39] <japp> A grees with the
[08:39] <japp> concerns.
[08:41] <japp> WG needs doesn't eed charter changes but does need milestone changes.
[08:42] <japp> IESG wants to require review from the group anyway if it is a personal contribution.
[08:42] <japp> Lewis: Major concern: are there enouh resources in the group to work on this
[08:44] <japp> Peterson: maybe not the right placefor this question?
[08:45] <japp> take it to the mailing list?
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[08:46] <japp> Next Item: SMTP draft
[08:47] <japp> Lot of people wanted it, there were three to four volunteers to write it.
[08:47] <japp> finally someone did but author not available o the moment.
[08:47] <japp> Are there peoplewilling to implement aSMTP transport?
[08:47] <japp> if not, will that be a loss?
[08:48] <japp> No reaction, so lewis popses to drop it.
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[08:48] <japp> New Sunject: Extension Guidelines.
[08:49] <japp> Will this be a work item?
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[08:50] <japp> Scott: draft written to provide guidelines for extensions.
[08:51] <japp> Experience learns that ths is needed.
[08:51] <japp> Lewis: How many people are implementing extensions?
[08:51] <japp> Lots.
[08:51] <japp> Lewis: let's take it to the list.
[08:52] <japp> Rick:Interest in wriring BCP for registries over EPP?
[08:53] <japp> No reaction: Lewis: naybe beyonf scope, but ask the list.
[08:54] <japp> Lewis summarizes (very quickly).
[08:54] <japp> AOB?
[08:56] <japp> Paf: Spoke with Allison. Really need to amke a statement about UDP. Prefers not to use UDP.
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[08:56] <japp> IESG needsto thing about this as well.
[08:56] <japp> END ofMeeting.
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