sip@conference.ietf.jabber.com - 2002/11/19
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[10:47] <EricCheung> Hi Dean, if you are here. all seems to work
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[17:46] <EricCheung (Coordinator)> Hello. Welcome to the chat room
[17:46] <RjS> Thanks for doing this Eric
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[17:53] <fluffy> Are we trying to provide cometary on what is happening in the meeting here?
[17:54] <EricCheung (Coordinator)> I am going to say who is speaking (if I know who it is)
[17:54] <fluffy> Paul K is at the Mic
[17:54] <EricCheung (Coordinator)> others please help esp with people at the mic
[17:54] <EricCheung (Coordinator)> thanks!
[17:54] <Cyrus> Are we supposed to pose questions here?
[17:55] <EricCheung (Coordinator)> yes. I will bring them to the mic
[17:55] <EricCheung (Coordinator)> please provide full name when posting questions
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[17:56] <fluffy> How will people only on IM even know when or what to ask
[17:56] <EricCheung (Coordinator)> david oran asked
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[17:56] <EricCheung (Coordinator)> I think the idea is the chat supplements mbone broadcast
[17:56] <RjS> This one is multicast, so we didn't ask anyone to transcribe
[17:57] <RjS> Is anyone here on without at least an audio feed?
[17:57] <fluffy> Ok - I see. Is anyone on this list right now not in the meeting and watching the audio feed?
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[18:00] <EricCheung (Coordinator)> adam roach at the mic
[18:01] <DigiMojo> Rohan says he cares about this draft
[18:03] <EricCheung (Coordinator)> cullen jennings at the mic
[18:04] <EricCheung (Coordinator)> I don't know his name...
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[18:04] <DigiMojo> common escaping of token characters being discussed
[18:04] <EricCheung (Coordinator)> this is eric burger
[18:06] <fluffy> Keith is at the mic
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[18:08] <DigiMojo> One more rev of caller prefs with issues resolved
[18:08] <fluffy> This is sort of fun to say who is at the Mic but I'm not sure it adds any value
[18:09] <EricCheung (Coordinator)> is anyone in this chat room not physical in the room?
[18:09] <amalis> I'm in the SUBIP room right now.
[18:09] <fluffy> Vijay Gurtani is at the MIC
[18:09] <EricCheung (Coordinator)> AND listening to the multicast?
[18:10] <amalis> No, listening to the subip meeting.
[18:10] <fluffy> Anything that would be particularly useful for the people in the room to type into IM for you ?
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[18:10] <fluffy> Paul K is back at the Mic
[18:10] <DigiMojo> discussing now what to do with use cases
[18:10] <amalis> Not really, just evesdropping ..... but thanks for asking!
[18:11] <TonyHansen> in some of the meetings, the note taker actually took the notes in the jabber room, and it was useful both for those in and outside the room
[18:11] <DigiMojo> yes, it would be useful to have someone who types very quickly who could do that
[18:11] <EricCheung (Coordinator)> is the note taker in this chat room?
[18:12] <fluffy> Henry S is at the MIC
[18:12] <fluffy> Dave Oran is at the mic
[18:14] <EricCheung (Coordinator)> jon speaking
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[18:14] <DigiMojo> content indirection up next
[18:14] <EricCheung (Coordinator)> sean setting up for content indirection
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[18:16] <DigiMojo> Open issues discussion
[18:16] <DigiMojo> size parameter for msg/external body
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[18:17] <DigiMojo> S/MIME/SIPS use recommended
[18:17] <DigiMojo> ...
[18:17] <DigiMojo> -> WGLC
[18:18] <EricCheung (Coordinator)> cullen@mic
[18:18] <DigiMojo> Content Type use - mandatory?
[18:18] <EricCheung (Coordinator)> jonathan
[18:19] <EricCheung (Coordinator)> rohan showing ID tracker page
[18:20] <EricCheung (Coordinator)> alison
[18:23] <DigiMojo> Guidelines draft discussion
[18:25] <EricCheung (Coordinator)> vijay
[18:25] <EricCheung (Coordinator)> robert
[18:30] <EricCheung (Coordinator)> jon on authid and identity setting up
[18:31] <fluffy> I think he is trying to be anonymous - I mean he changed his hair color to come tolk about this identity stuff
[18:31] <DigiMojo> has his identity been authenticated?
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[18:34] <fluffy> I'm willing to assert he is Jon - the question is, who the heck is fluffy
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[18:38] <EricCheung (Coordinator)> if everyone is physically here, I am going to stop doing the @mic thing
[18:38] <TonyHansen> I find it useful, as I don't know everyone's name
[18:39] <mrose> well, the logger is also recording this, so others can review it later on...
[18:39] <fluffy> Fair enough - Robert Sparks is at the mic
[18:39] <DigiMojo> agree
[18:40] <EricCheung (Coordinator)> ok. i will try and please chime in and help me out.
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[18:41] <fluffy> Eric Neilson @ mic
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[18:42] <EricCheung (Coordinator)> rohan speaking
[18:42] <DigiMojo> smb, r u in the room?
[18:42] <DigiMojo> here at sip I mean?
[18:44] <EricCheung (Coordinator)> jonathan@mic
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[18:46] <EricCheung (Coordinator)> robert s@mic
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[18:53] <EricCheung (Coordinator)> adam roach@mic
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[18:53] <EricCheung (Coordinator)> keith@mic
[18:57] <EricCheung (Coordinator)> cullen at mic
[18:57] <DigiMojo> ah, so now we know who fluffy is!
[18:58] <EricCheung (Coordinator)> keith back at mic
[18:59] <EricCheung (Coordinator)> jonathan at mic
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[19:04] <EricCheung (Coordinator)> AES and S/MIME
[19:07] <EricCheung (Coordinator)> Vijay Gurtani at mic
[19:08] <EricCheung (Coordinator)> jonathan at mic
[19:10] <EricCheung (Coordinator)> david oran @ mic
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[19:10] <EricCheung (Coordinator)> rohan @ mic
[19:11] <EricCheung (Coordinator)> Eric Neilson @ mic
[19:11] <EricCheung (Coordinator)> keith @ mic
[19:12] <EricCheung (Coordinator)> allison at mic
[19:14] <EricCheung (Coordinator)> jonathan setting up for 3261 open issues
[19:15] <fluffy> He is starting with session timer not realy 3261
[19:15] <EricCheung (Coordinator)> session timer
[19:18] <DigiMojo> session timer only for cleanup of state in proxies
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[19:20] <EricCheung (Coordinator)> adam @ mic
[19:20] <DigiMojo> use dialog event package as solution?
[19:21] <DigiMojo> consensus - keep scope, clean up wording
[19:22] <DigiMojo> continue to use UPDATE method?
[19:23] <EricCheung (Coordinator)> cullen at mic
[19:24] <EricCheung (Coordinator)> keith at mic
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[19:25] <EricCheung (Coordinator)> adam at mic
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[19:27] <EricCheung (Coordinator)> dean at mic
[19:28] <EricCheung (Coordinator)> eric burger at mic
[19:28] <davidoran> If people buy Keith D.'s argument, we should completely nuke the session timer draft and just put an Expires: header on Invite adn Update.
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[19:34] <fluffy> ROhan and the mic
[19:36] <EricCheung (Coordinator)> chairs deliberating
[19:36] <fluffy> The chairs are thinking deep thoughts
[19:36] <EricCheung (Coordinator)> rohan @ chair mic
[19:37] <DigiMojo> hum decides to clean up as suggested and move it forward
[19:38] <fluffy> Now oving on to SIPS URI
[19:38] <DigiMojo> sips URI
[19:38] <EricCheung (Coordinator)> jonathan not going to discuss open issues in 3261
[19:41] <EricCheung (Coordinator)> jon at mic
[19:44] <DigiMojo> sips uri as e2e address of record or hop by hop semantics
[19:46] <EricCheung (Coordinator)> robert s at mic
[19:47] <EricCheung (Coordinator)> gonzalo at mic
[19:47] <EricCheung (Coordinator)> jon back at mic
[19:47] <EricCheung (Coordinator)> gonzalo at mic
[19:48] <EricCheung (Coordinator)> robert s at mic
[19:51] <EricCheung (Coordinator)> jon at mic
[19:51] <EricCheung (Coordinator)> robert s at mic
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[19:52] <EricCheung (Coordinator)> jon atmic
[19:52] <fluffy> Is there a way to see everyone who is in the room from a SIMPLE client ?
[19:53] <EricCheung (Coordinator)> there are about 10 people in the room
[19:53] <DigiMojo> what was that URL?
[19:54] <fluffy> Robert is going to type in the URL
[19:54] <RjS> http://www.sipwg.org
[19:54] <DigiMojo> thx
[19:55] <EricCheung (Coordinator)> rohan at host mic.
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[19:55] <EricCheung (Coordinator)> summarizing. wrap up
[19:56] <EricCheung (Coordinator)> meeting concluded
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