IETF 60 Plenary Wednesday Meeting MinutesTwo plenary meetings were held at this IETF - a Wednesday night session (mostly about the present), and a Thursday night session (mostly about the future).
Hosts: Harald Alvestrad <email@example.com> and Leslie Daigle <firstname.lastname@example.org>.
Minutes: These minutes were taken by Spencer Dawkins <email@example.com> and cross-checked with the session jabber logs (available at http://firstname.lastname@example.org/, and please note that the sessions crossed "midnight", so they are split across three days, not just two).
The Jabber logs also include a Norwegian Saga tale (not reproduced here, but definitely worth laughing at).
Welcome, and introduction - Harald AlvestrandWe had 1511 registered, from 40 countries, about half attendess are from the US.
Fall IETF is in Washington, DC with Alcatel as sponsor
Thanks to the Tech Team - Jim MartinThis IETF had the network that almost wasn't - no local host, 80% of equipment lost in shipping, with the current network built entirely out of last second replacement equipment from Cisco, Priority Networks, and others.
Peaks of 17 Mbps in both directions, with IPv6 and IPv4 multicast
Down from 35 G access points to 20 B access points, with three networks (Open, WEP, 802.1X)
Using 4 remote probes with AirMagnet for monitoring
1532 unique MACs, peak of 890 simultaneous users, peak of 143 associations on one AP
Network entirely done by volunteers this time, with entirely donated equipment (Cisco gave twice!)
Jon Postel Award (ISOC) - Steve CrockerThis year's recipient is Phil Gross, co-founder of the IETF, for his contribution to the Internet standardization process Steve presented Phil with a letter, globe, and check for $20,000 Phil spoke after being recognized:
RFC Editor report... was short, and is available at ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/IETFreports/aug01-report.pdf
Lots of stuff is getting published, but the backlog is creeping up since IETF 59
Experimenting with "office hours" at IETF meetings - drop by, if you have questions or issues
IANA report... was short, and is available at ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/IETFreports/aug04-report.pdf
Huge improvement (order of magnitude decrease in latency) since IETF 59
IESG operations (Allison Mankin, Bill Fenner)Reporting trends since 2003, measuring intervals between IETFs (so some measurement anomolies, because time period varies)
Data shows IESG and community both becoming more responsive - timeliness seems to be positive feedback loop
More WG recharters already this year than in all of 2003 - could we be paying more attention to charters?
Want to make monthly data available
Update from the PROTO (Process Team) work (Margaret and Henryk)Home page for PROTO at http://www.mip4.org/proto
Goal is WG chair shepherding through document review and approval process
Small changes, don't require modifications to RFC 2026 or RFC 2418
AD still has review and approval roles - shepherding role is delegated
draft-ietf-proto-shepherding-00.txt describes shepherding role
draft-ietf-proto-wgchair-doc-shepherding-01.txt describes process changes
Moving to a larger-scale experiment of this change
Who's in charge of the Internet: The WSIS Deliberations (Robert Kahn, CNRI)US and other developed nations think things are just fine
Other developing nations think somebody needs to be in charge of the Internet - they think UN is best suited to provide leadership
Very decentralized system of cooperation, coordination and interaction
"If UN controlled ICANN, they would control the Internet"
Standardization mostly ignored, at least so far
Phase I of WSIS in December 2003 had about 12,000 attendees - finally took Internet Governance off the agenda
UN working group to look at this in preparation for Phase II of WSIS in November 2005, in Tunis
Interim activities taking place throughout 2004 - theme meetings on topics like spam
Bob asking for research community reengagement
IETF now in the gunsights
Difficult to get agreement on definition of "Internet Governance" - UN isn't monolithic, either
Lots of reading materials available
ICANN being attacked because they aren't part of the UN
IAB Chair report - Leslie Daigle
Most recent published document (in queue) is on research funding (see IAB website at http://www.iab.org/)
Planning messaging workshop in September/October timeframe
Also working on liaison mechanics (see drafts) - will be coming out for community last call
IRTF Chair report - Vern Paxson13 groups now in IRTF
IAB Open PlenaryNo questions at all - amazing!
IESG Open PlenaryAre we doing better? (applause) - we're trying to get somewhere
Charlie Perkins - Recent changes in Internet Draft submission requirements - "semi-bounced" with "does not conform" - doesn't help discussion
Harald - We're tardy in reflecting RFC 3667/3668 changes, and even more tardy in telling you about the changes . We need to have the IPR copyright boilerplate right, even in IDs - this has already been a problem, and we're reacting
James Kempf - My experience is much better than several years ago (when working on SLP). There have been significant and important improvements
Brian Carpenter - Does OPS sub-area not develop protocols? Is this a real rule?
Dave Kessens and Harald - In general, this is true, but we listen to reason
Matt Mathis - ID Nits document is really an RFC Nits document - formatting restrictions, etc. don't matter early in the process .
Harald - There are two documents, and we're not good at point out which is which - and the only real requirement is copyright
Pekka Savola - IDs are read and reviewed - make them as reviewable as possible