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[19:22:39]  The slides are available online: http://ietf.webdav.org/calsify/meetings/IETF64_CALSIFY.ppt
[19:24:56]  Audio streaming: http://www.ietf.org/audio//ietf645.m3u
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[19:42:22]  Well this is my dinner time.
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[19:50:18]  agenda bashing
[19:50:19] * pguenther starts to scribe, or something
[19:50:29]  I'll tag team with you
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[19:51:04]  2445bis
[19:51:15]  Yes I am here!!!
[19:51:41]  cyrus: can you hear Bernard?
[19:51:49]  Yes he is loud and clear.
[19:51:51]  status update
[19:52:05]  new -00 draft of rfc2445bis
[19:52:34]  separate rfc2445bis-issues draft for traacking stuff
[19:52:49]  "to make sure all the issues raised are closed"
[19:53:20]  minor edits by Bernard and Chris
[19:53:27]  Active Threads:
[19:53:44]  VFREEBUSY: can it be used to block off time in calendars?
[19:53:52]  Has anyone thought of using a Wiki for group Collaboration. It may be easier then the spreadsheet to issues list?
[19:54:22]  or are they just queries?
[19:54:35] --- hardie@jabber.psg.com has become available
[19:54:36]  The IETF tools team has a list of issue tracking systems that other groups are using. One of those might be appropriate.
[19:55:13] --- corby has become available
[19:55:20]  We should clarify VFREEBUSY in iCalendar.
[19:55:30]  (2445bis I mean).
[19:55:51]  semi-proposal: they should be able to live in your calendar and block off time
[19:56:40] --- cnewman@jabber.org has become available
[19:56:45]  next: how to derive VFREEBUSY from VEVENT in a calendar?
[19:56:58]  part is controlled by organized
[19:57:17]  organizer
[19:58:08]  also, does PARTSTAT parameter of the calendar owner be considered?
[19:58:20] --- alexeymelnikov has become available
[19:58:21]  no consensus on vfreebusy
[19:59:02]  other properties that ownership/"who can modify" semantics need clarification on
[20:01:37]  how are those handled in calendars that exist as shared calendars?
[20:02:03]  e.g., can user A modify the transparency of user B?
[20:02:41]  any feedback?
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[20:03:00]  on to 2446bis
[20:03:12]  cyrus: any comments
[20:03:14]  ?
[20:03:22]  I did send two points I wanted to discuss.
[20:03:53]  lisa is looking
[20:03:56]  1. Format of abnf vs tables. In 2445 pseudo abnf is used to describe which components are allowed etc.
[20:04:06]  In iTIP tables are used to describe the same thing.
[20:04:26]  We should ideally standardise on one format or the other. What do people think?
[20:05:33]  OK, I will liaise with Chris/Bernard.
[20:05:56]  2. I also want an issue tracker and can setup my own but would prefer general WG tracker if possible.
[20:06:36]  Other than that the 2446bis draft is really just a clone of the original. I will get around to much more re-org/bug fixes for the next version.
[20:07:41]  on to interop report
[20:07:58]  2445: everyone does _not_ do:
[20:08:14]  - separate values in a list with commas,
[20:08:14]  ...
[20:08:50]  see slides on the site for the complete list
[20:09:03]  ietf.webdav.org/calsify/meetings
[20:09:43]  9 orgs and sep interop
[20:10:00]  s/and/at/
[20:13:51]  
[20:14:04]  (all in the slides)
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[20:19:53]  
[20:20:10]  any comments on anything from these slides?
[20:21:23]   discussion about consortium meeting on the side that provides input into calsify
[20:22:43]  alexey is up, talking about 2447bis
[20:22:46]  Its all gone quiet...
[20:22:59]  OK - Alexey is back.
[20:23:23]  (lisa was having tech difficulties -- pause in the action while she did so)
[20:26:27]  open issues:
[20:26:44]  1) is "method" C-T parameter required? uses "must" not "MUST" right now
[20:27:02]  common clients (e.g., Thunderbird) don't set it
[20:27:20]  should "must" be "MUST" or "SHOULD"?
[20:27:58]  METHOD will be set in the actual iCalendar object, so the question is is it useful to the client to have it in MIME too?
[20:28:01]  Bernard: if no "method", then you're just sending an object and not doing iMIP
[20:28:17]  No - Bernard - METHOD is in the iCal object.
[20:28:41]  The mthod= MIME parameter is simply a hint to the client about what is inside.
[20:29:40]  Philip: does this create a silly-state if they don't match?
[20:30:14]  lisa: no proposal on how to fix, so take to list
[20:30:36]  todo #2: add example for q-p and base64
[20:30:38]  Yes, but its no worse than the charset= not representing the actual charset being used!
[20:30:51]  todo #3: add IANA considerations
[20:32:13]  todo #4: section on using Content-Disposition to work around bad content-type support
[20:32:28]  proposal: drop like a lead brick
[20:33:31]  todo #5: insufficient specification of how authorization of changing other people's calendars is done, so how can we require it?
[20:33:59]  (this is in section 3: "...implementaitons MUST provide mechanisms...")
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[20:34:46]  lisa: regarding using a wiki: recommend against
[20:35:56]  last chance for comments
[20:35:59]  too late
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[20:36:15]  meeting is closed
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[20:36:17]  ya ha ha ha
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