2.2.1 Education (edu)

NOTE: This charter is a snapshot of the 64th IETF Meeting in Vancouver, British Columbia Canada. It may now be out-of-date.

Last Modified: 2005-09-20


Avri Doria <avri@acm.org>

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Brian Carpenter <brc@zurich.ibm.com>

General Area Advisor:

Brian Carpenter <brc@zurich.ibm.com>

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Description of Working Group:

This BOF will discuss internal training and development
programs and educational resources for IETF participants
and leaders.

The IETF has been educating IETF participants and leaders for
many years, via formal training classes, educational web
sites, published materials and formal and informal mentoring
programs.  Our educational efforts have included training sessions
for newcomers, introductory training sessions for new WG chairs,
and educational web resources for WG chairs, document editors and
other participants.  There have also been educational sessions for
IETF participants held at some IETF plenary meetings.

Over the past year, there has been an increasing awareness of
the need for better educational programs and resources for
IETF WG chairs, document editors and other participants.

A grass-roots effort was initiated to expand the WG Chairs
training program to include ongoing education for continuing
WG chairs.  The Newcomers training, formerly provided by the
IETF Secretariat, has been folded in to the WG Chairs training
effort.  Also, we've discussed the development of training
programs or resources for document editors and other IETF

As this effort expands beyond the area of WG chairs training,
it is increasingly important to have the IETF community involved
in this effort -- both to give the community more visibility
into these activities, and to receive input and assistance from
the wider community in developing our educational programs
and resources.

In this BOF, we'll discuss the IETF's existing educational
programs and resources, and we'll discuss how those programs
could be enhanced or expanded in the future.  We will also
discuss how best to organize and managed our educational
programs on an ongoing basis, including a discussion of
whether we should form a Working Group to further this effort.

At the San Francisco IETF in March 2003, a voluntary session
was held for IESG members and WG chairs to discuss training
for ongoing WG chairs.  The notes from that session can be
found at:


BOF attendees should also familiarize themselves with our
existing training materials and on-line educational resources.

For Newcomers:

For WG Chairs:

Examples of Participant Training:

Goals and Milestones:

No Current Internet-Drafts

No Request For Comments

Current Meeting Report

Open Edu Team meeting

Minutes: Mirjam Kuehne

Open Edu Team meeting at IETF64 - 08.11.2005


Avri described the charter and the plans for this year

A suggestion was made to put the presentations up on the edu team

pages in pdf and not only ppt.

Edu team expects to launch two new training topics this year:

a. Bringing new work to the IETF

Thomas Narten draft on "How to run a successful BoF" might be

interesting in that context. But the tutorial needs to cover more than


Brian shows a picture that describes the IETF workflow.

The Tao seems to start at BoF, WGs etc. It does not cover the process

before that (from having an idea to having a document or a BoF)

People think this is a very important topic and should still be

pursued by the Edu team

b. IETF protocol engineering fundamentals

not really done, but a number of technical tutorials have been given

a good thing to do if we can do it, it is hard though

Scott is thinking about adding something like this as part of his day

job and offers to give it to the Edu team once it is done.

In addition to that there is a piece in the edu team charter:

"Over the next several months, the EDU Team will work with the Internet

Society (ISOC) Standards Publications and Resources committee to

develop a proposal for a periodic joint publication that will

summarize and explain the major activities of the IETF. This proposal

will be publicly presented and submitted for IESG review and approval."

Brian thinks this is a very good piece of work. He handed them out in

China to pretty senior people. Brian believes there should be an

independent charter for the IETF Journal. We need to keep it going.

Brian thinks there is should be an editorial and/or review board.

Scott reads a piece out of RFC2026: it talks about sannouncements of tandards need to

published in an ISOC Newsletter.

2005 Activities - General Classes:

see Avri's slides

2005 Activities - WG chair lunches:

see Avri's slides

There is a concern that we only reach the same WG chairs each time.

we cannot make it mandatory, but the ADs should strongly encorage the

WG chairs in there area to attend.

Brian suggest to have lunches not only educationally, but also as a

discussion forum.

Scott mentions that we tried to do this three times, and that it didn't

really work out so well. Maybe we didn't have a good moderator.

Thomas suggested to start a discussion on the WG char mailing list

before the meeting.

2005 Activities - IETF Journal pilot issue

Proposed Plans for 2006:

- go to a 6 class schedule

- twqo of them permanent classes:

- Newcomers Training

- RFC editors training

- continue working towards class on bringing work into the IETF

- work with the IESG

- continue introducing new topics:

- e.g. XML, MPLS/GMPLS, internet telephony, topics and addressing

- protocol engineering fundamentals

- new process classes

- e.g. IPR


- Sunday program. Is it:

- the right day?

- the right schedule?


- attendance tracking, i.e. yellow sheets

- is it worth doing?

- what will be do with the information

- we could use it to get feedback from attendees (see below)

- feedback on classes

- consider on-line questionnaire, similar to the ISOC surveys

- there was such survey after the Paris IETF, about 20% completed them

- ISOC can help with that

- we could add a section to the existing survey (Avri will do that)

- types of classes

- should more workshops be held?

- with facilitators?

Suggestion to facilitate a meeting for WG chairs.

Thomas does not think we should be holding workshops, we can

facilitate them, but they should be driven by a subject matter and

people interested in the topic. Believes the Edu team should be

inward focusing; improving the way the IETF is working

suggestion to introduce a session on how to write an RFC in XML and

the tools one can use to help.

Maybe a class is not the right answer, an template plus an FAQ might

be better.

Thomas not clear why we are limited to two slots on Sunday.

Couldn't we also have tutorials during lunch hours? If we'd do that

there needs to be a possibility to grab some food.

Minor detail: a third room would need to be in Ray's budget.

  • There also needs to be enough trainer effort.

Spencer suggests to not only have rotating classes, but also rotating

trainers. Maybe we should have a pool of trainers for each class.

Classes for IETF 65:

1. Newcomers

2. RFC Editor

3. Security


Elwin volunteers to put together am xml2rfc tutorial for the next IETF.

5. How to bring new work to the IETF

Thomas volunteers to put a tutorial together for the next IETF.

6. MPLS tutorial would be useful.

Who should we ask to be a trainer?

Elwin suggests educover the whole area around VPN.

Thomas suggests to send a question to the IETF mailing list asking for

areas and interests plus volunteers to train those topics (Avri will

do that).

We should try to find a WG chair lunch topic earlier.


Edu Team Open Meeting