Better-Than-Nothing Security (btns) Meeting Minutes at IETF-70 ==================================== Chairs: Love Hornquist Astrand Julien Laganier ==================================== These minutes are based on meeting notes taken by Leif Johansson and comments made on Jabber during the session. * Meeting Start * Introduction, Chairs    - Love thanks ASPS authors    - Love asks for more rev of connection latching! No input from   other groups * Love allocates time for review of the connection-latching document, Love gave group 20 minutes to quietly read the connection-latching document   which was placed on the projector and printed copies of it distributed to attendees. Discussion started about comments - some were sent on jabber. Tero Kivinen spoke about the way connection latching traffic selector overlap was described was incompat with ikev2 because connection-latching disallowed stuff that was common in other parts of ipsec basically. Tero wrote in Jabber that it should only be disallowed when the latching is affected, i.e. the SA have different algorithms or IDs, etc. If the overlapping TSs are used for QoS reasons then the SA have identical properties. Tero noticed that he overlooked "different peers" in the text discussing SAs with overlapping TSs, so it seems is fine. Tero comments that the document has to be read multiple times before he understood how things work. * Sam on btns and NFS Sam confesses that he really needs to review the connection-latching draft. NFS motivates channel bindings. Sam explains why NFSv4-docs haven't reached IESG yet and said they didn't have mandatory-to-implement security mechanims. Thus connection-latching is really needed for NFSv4 to move forward because it would be a such a mandatory-to-implement security mechanism. Sam recommends going to the transport directorate for a review of connection-latching. * Other business Nothing. * Meeting ends.