Mobile Ad hoc Networks (MANET) Agenda Meeting : IETF 72 Tuesday July 29th 2008 Time : 1740-1950 Location : Convention 1 Chairs : Ian Chakeres ian.chakeres@gmail.com Joseph Macker joseph.macker@nrl.navy.mil Jabber : manet@jabber.ietf.org Audiocast: http://www.ietf.org/audio// URL : http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/manet-charter.html http://www.ianchak.com/manet http://tools.ietf.org/wg/manet/ https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/meeting_materials.cgi?meeting_num=72 Minutes : Jerome Haerri jerome.haerri@kit.edu ========================================================= Administriva - Mailing list: manet@ietf.org - Blue Sheets: Please sign your name on the blue sheets - Please state your name clearly at the microphone when asking questions - IPR - RFC3979 ========================================================= Agenda bashing Speaker: Ian Chakeres Content: WG Status DYMO Discussion - draft-ietf-manet-dymo-14.txt - draft-chakeres-manet-dymo-default-01.txt MIB Discussion - draft-ietf-manet-dymo-mib-00.txt - draft-cole-manet-nhdp-mib-00.txt - draft-cole-manet-smf-mib-00.txt PacketBB, TimeTLV, NHDP, OLSRv2 Discussion - draft-ietf-manet-packetbb-13.txt - draft-ietf-manet-timetlv-05.txt - draft-ietf-manet-nhdp-07.txt - draft-ietf-manet-olsrv2-07.txt - draft-dearlove-olsrv2-metrics-02.txt - OLSR interop SMF Discussion - draft-ietf-manet-smf-07.txt Implementation Updates => performed at Open Microphone due to time constraints - MANET protocols in NS-3 - Joe Kopena (Drexel) - jOLSRv2 - Ulrich Herberg Open Microphone - Discussion, Related Work & Announcements - draft-dean-manet-metriclv-01.txt - draft-haerri-manet-position-problem-statement-01.txt - draft-haerri-manet-position-signaling-01.txt - draft-zhang-manet-ccc-00.txt (not discussed) - draft-templin-seal-22.txt (not discussed) ========================================================= WG Status Speaker: Ian Chakeres Content: See slides ========================================================= DYMO Discussion - draft-ietf-manet-dymo-14.txt - draft-chakeres-manet-dymo-default-01.txt Speaker: Ian Chakeres Content: See slides Comments: - related to dymo: There was a discussion about DYMO using the term adjacency. Some participants felt that adjacency was too tied to OSPF. If you have a suggestion on a better name for this term please bring it up on-list or email ian.chakeres@gmail.com. - related to dymo-default: There was a question about how dymo-default relates to gateway discovery. dymo-default uses DYMO's basic routing creation/maintenance mechanisms to create a default route (0.0.0.0 or ::/0). It is not oriented toward discovery but is related. There was also a question about why dymo-default is limited to a single gateway. This question will require more examination. ========================================================= MIB Discussion - draft-ietf-manet-dymo-mib-00.txt - draft-cole-manet-nhdp-mib-00.txt - draft-cole-manet-smf-mib-00.txt Speaker: Robert Cole Content: See slides Comments: Please review the MIB documents and provide feedback. Please also examine the presentation. There are a number of questions raised inside. ========================================================= PacketBB, TimeTLV, NHDP, OLSRv2 Discussion - draft-ietf-manet-packetbb-13.txt - draft-ietf-manet-timetlv-05.txt - draft-ietf-manet-nhdp-07.txt Speaker: Thomas Clausen Content: See slides Comments: One participant felt that the NHDP specification would benefit by having more advice for NHDP users, for example people who want to add information in TLVs to NHDP's HELLO messages. Many people felt there was a fine line to walk between specifying how something is done and how it can be done. There was a discussion that perhaps another document needs to be created that helps describe how MANET's various building blocks and protocols can be used together, along with people's other more advanced protocol options. ========================================================= OLSRv2-metrics Discussion - draft-ietf-manet-olsrv2-07.txt - draft-dearlove-olsrv2-metrics-02.txt Speaker: Christopher Dearlove Content: See slides Comments: There was a difference of opinion at the microphone about whether OLSRv2 should support only a common dimenssion-less metric (cost) or multiple fine-grained and well-defined metrics (delay, bw, etc). There was also a discussion about whether multiple topology routing (MTR) functionality would fulfill some or all of participants' requirements. No conclusions were reached, indicating that these topics should be followed up on-list. Another participant raised the question about whether implementations MUST support metrics (carry metrics and use them for various calculations) if this change is accepted, or whether existing implementations can simply ignore metrics. Christopher Dearlove explained that metrics would become a fundamental and required part of the OLSRv2 protocol. A poll was taken about whether OLSRv2 should add metrics, and a majority of the audience felt - YES OLSRv2 should add metrics. ========================================================= SMF Discussion - draft-ietf-manet-smf-07.txt Speaker: Joe Macker Content: See slides ========================================================= Open Microphone - RAPID FIRE Presentations - draft-dean-manet-metriclv-01.txt - ISIS metrics - draft-haerri-manet-position-problem-statement-01.txt - draft-haerri-manet-position-signaling-01.txt ========================================================= MANET Implementations in NS-3 Speaker: Joe Kopena Content: See slides ========================================================= jOLSR Implementation Update Speaker: Ulrich Herberg Content: See slides ========================================================= MetricTLV Speaker: Justin Dean Content: See slides ========================================================= ISIS Metrics Speaker: Jerome Haerri Content: See slides ========================================================= Position Metrics for MANET Speaker: Jerome Haerri Content: See slides