SIEVE WG minutes July 31, 2008. Dublin, Ireland. Intro from chairs wrt document status: 3 RFCs published, several in rfc editor queue, more in IESG processing state. Others to be discussed. Discussion of WG re-charter: Lisa said charter will be reviewed on telechat after the next one. Ran through proposed charter and milestones. Discussion of notify mailto: first issue - whether to add text about sending notifications to messages containing Auto-Submitted headers. Whether to use MUST NOT or SHOULD NOT. General preference for SHOULD NOT since there are some cases where cascading notifications are needed. Further discussion on what text is needed to address mail loops. Add some general text about rate limiting and the need for an admin interface to manage control of limiting loops, or fixing false positives. Discussion of mime loops: issue of nested forverypart loops with the same name. Solve by hiding outer loop name. Issue of dealing with signed/encrypted parts. Need to add text about dealing with signed/encrypted parts. Discussion of iHave: minor issues left to address. Will go to WGLC soon. Discussion of notary: Ned working on new rev. DSN-redirect extension needs to be added. Discussion of sieve-in-xml: new version out soon. Now has relaxNG as the schema. Discussion of managesieve: issue - reauthentication - consensus: add UNAUTH command (optional). i18n issues, saslprep etc. Most implementers not doing it - no demand from customers etc Take discussion of i18n issues to the list. Issue - script name length proposed text - MUST accept at least 128 characters, but MAY accept longer. Also, "all characters must be significant". sieve URL scheme - need the name/authz id in the URL. SRV records - define service type. Discussion of EAI issues: need to talk about address comparisons for both downgraded and utf-8 headers. A separate spec updating the base - experimental. Discussion of benefits doc: real world examples of sieve deployments would be good to describe. Use wiki to start collaborative doc on this. Discussion of test scripts: Setup wiki page to collection example scripts and messages.