IETF-76 Routing Area Open Meeting
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ADs: Ross Callon, Adrian Farrel

Scribe: Deborah Brungard 

Administriva and Area Status
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Adrian opened. Reviewed slides.
Reviewed reminder on IPR and reminder about meeting etiquette.

Routing security
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Ross spoke on routing security and the KARP BOF. Will meet on Tuesday. Chairs
are Joel Halpern and Brian Weiss.

Routing Directorate
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Adrian spoke on the Routing Directorate. The previous one was closed in Stockholm.
Flushed the mailing list. A new one will be set up. Mainly review of routing and
routing-related I-Ds. Would like WG Chairs to suggest people and people can self
nominate themselves.


Routing Area Working Group Reports
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BFD (Dave) - Good news, 4 drafts in RFC Editor queue. Little more work on base document.
After that will recharter. And do P2MP.

CCAMP (Deborah) – One new RFC. We will be meeting two sessions - Wednesday and Thursday.
WSON (wavelength switched optical networks) and OTN are key items in progress. Also, we
are beginning to recharter.

FORCES (Joel) – Final document in IESG review. A bunch of RFCs will appear. Beginning next
phase, defining building blocks to allow Forces to be build.

IDR (John) - In process of rechartering. One working group document on selection criteria.
Probably begin to last call a bunch of drafts before next meeting. RFC4271 will be moving
to full standard,will start the work.

ISIS (Dave) – No meeting this time, will begin to recharter. 3 drafts will move into ADs
hands. A draft working on with the trill folks will be the big work for this spring.
 
L3VPN (Ross) - Two large drafts on how to support multicast in review. One needs to go back
to telechat to get one more vote. There was alot on the telechat so not able to review.
Other one needs minor edits then back to telechat. One other wg draft almost done.
Now considering what work to do next. Most likely will be on multicast as unicast pretty
much stable/deployed.

MANET (Justin) - Both chairs not here, I'll be guest chairing. Should be pushing thru the
hello protocol draft, then others can move forward.

MPLS (Adrian) – Meeting twice. Starting to progress it's core work. Half session on core,
1.5 on MPLS-TP. Some of the drafts on MPLS-TP starting to trickle thru. The MPLS-TP work
is progressing fairly well. Main requirements is now RFC. Other requirement related work
is getting stable and going thru IESG review. Framework documents are approaching stability.
People should get comments in before go to last call.
 
OSPF (Ross) – Can't give status - neither Chair here.

PCE (Julien) – Tough week for us, one chair can not be here and we are scheduled for friday
afternoon which is difficult. Working on multilayer, WSON, P2MP. Two RFCs published,
one on multilayer, another on P2MP. New WG document on WSON.

PIM (Mike) – One draft in last call, meeting tomorrow. Progress in PIM over reliable transport.
A couple of new drafts.

ROLL (Adrian) - Making very good progress. Met for an interim meeting in October, outside of
Geneva. Protocol rapidly advancing, people implementing/experimenting.

RTGWG (John) - Have a couple in RFC Editor queue, the two frameworks. Working on multicast fast
reroute, in theory, but not really progressing very well. Draft on transient routing loops also
going slow. This meeting, two drafts on Composite Link groups. Will be deciding if should be
WG documents.

SIDR (Sandy) - Have half dozen drafts in Last Call at same time. Made very recent progress.
Some minor comments which were not difficult to resolve. Things are moving along.

VRRP (Adrian) - To summarize, one document thru IESG review. Authors working hard to remove the
discusses. Almost ready to clear. Then ready for last call. So then finished. Will decide if go
in maintenance mode or put to bed.

Routing Directorate Draft Charter
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Ross - Reviewed the draft charter and how documents will be assigned. Hoping to have not just older,
experienced members, also younger, less experienced members. Welcome suggestions for how to make
this more effective and if people interested.
Adrian - On work load, since the last IETF there were in total about 100 documents for publication
and review. Expecting that the routing area directorate will review about one third of that. In
order to limit the work load to two documents per IETF cycle, we will need about 15 members on
the directorate.


New Topics
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Ron Bonica - Before, policy was that needed so many implementations to become PS. Would like to
propose a new criteria that once a certain number of errata, that a bis document should be done.
Adrian - How would handle if no one is available to do the work?
Ron - Then I'd question if that WG should be taking on new work, especially if the document
is fundamental for the WG.
Ross - Agree, if have a certian number of errata, then the AD should bug the WG to do it.
But difficult to do a hard and fast rule for doing.
Adrian - A starting point, if it could be done cooperatively without a hard policy.
Ron - Agree, would be good if could be done cooperatively.
Dave W. - Another topic, WGs are getting hung up with all the rules for documents. Everyone seems
to be applying rules on us, how do we give guidance to others and what rules apply to our
documents?
Ross - This a good one for the ADs to take up in the IESG. There's an effort to make document
review less brutal, but it has not been written down. In terms of routing area review of documents
from outside the Routing Area, in most cases where we are just carrying their bits around, we
don't have routing area specific concerns. But some have relevance to the Routing Area. ADs
are suppose to bring up issues at the telechat, but where possible this should be done earlier.
Assigning Routing Area advisors to other Areas is not always effective.
Dave W. - A number of drafts which we are working on, we realize we are tripping on others late
in the process. Would like to see something written down to help us.
Adrian - There are a number of drafts on the RFC process that we could build on to help us do this.