======================================================================== AppsArea / APPSAWG Meeting Minutes IETF 80 Monday, March 28, 2010, 0900-1130 Prague, Czech Republic Hilton Prague, Congress Hall II Area Directors: Alexey Melnikov, Peter Saint-Andre, Pete Resnick APPSAWG WG Chairs: Barry Leiba, Jiankang Yao Scribe: Bert Greevenbosch Agenda: Slides: Audio: Chat Log: ======================================================================== MINUTES Chairs: Note well reviewed Logistics reviewed Agenda bashed Paul Hoffman: Draft-hoffman-server-has-tls-04 Question: Should it be a service discovery protocol? Group is requested to consider. Question: Is there a way to securely negotiate usage of this secure protocol? Remark: We should do this in a separate working group Question: Conflict with W3C security policy? Need to coordinate making sure there are not many different formats. Remark: Requirements in APPAREA is OK, but we need experts. New working group or current DNS based working group? Maybe it can be built on top of DNSsec. Question: Does it require something we already have? Maybe UNAPTR. Don't focus on new protocol, but see if needed, and if so, which technology can be re-used. Show of hands on the following: * Who thinks we should not do it? (small support) * Who thinks we should do it in a separate working group? (medium support) * Who thinks we should do it in apparea? (small support) * Who thinks we don't know enough yet? (highest support) Patrik Faltstrom: Unicode and IDNA Remark: Seems network issue, should be in lower layer. Mark Nottingham: draft-nottingham-http-portal Question: HTTPS could also allow this? More discussion needed. Murray S. Kucherawy: Draft-kucherawy-mta-malformed Several problems could arise when browsers/mail readers give some leeway to malformed messages. There are security issues involved. IETF should consider these and give some guidance. Question: Separate WG or in APPSAWG? Individual draft? Draft-kucherawy-rfc3462bis Question: Connection to SpamRep in OMA? YAM WG is going to recharter. Right place could become YAM. Wait until YAM recharters. If doesn't, then APPSAWG makes sense. Draft-lear-iana-timezone-database More discussion is needed, and a side meeting on Wednesday morning 8:00 – 9:00 is planned. Eliot Lear: draft-lear-iana-timezone-database-02 IANA Procedures for Maintaining the Timezone Database Volunteers are needed to provide feedback on the document. Eric Rescorla: Draft-rescolra-jsms-00 Bar BoF about cryptography 20:00 in Karlin I. Question: Is there a need for a http-URI or is https-URI enough? Bernie Hoeneisen: IANA Registration of Enumservices for Internet Calendaring Session chair: Look for experts on calendaring (small group) first. Question: Why shut down ENUM and not work on that there? Answer: IETF Leadership wants ENUM WG to be shut down (outlived its useful life). Furthermore, the issues with this document are in the Calendaring space (as opposed to ENUM). Action: Ask Cyrus Daboo and Bernard Desruisseaux to review spec and address open calendar questions. Alexey Melnikov: Draft-melnikov-smtp-altrecip-on-error-00 Remark: Threat analysis is needed. Draft-melnikov-smtp-priority-01 Discussion on mailing list. Florian Echtler: Draft-echtler-gispl-specification-01 Question: Is this related to W3C web-actions? Answer: Yes, it is. Remark: Transmitting the format could be work for another organization. Close relationship to eventing and API. Chris and Mark should look for a suitable WG. Dave Crocker Draft-crocker-doseta-base Remark: Semantics need thorough considerations, as they cannot be changed after implementation. Question: Where is the work to be done? Answer: Not looking for a working group, but for people that are interested. If the interest is there, we can have a look at the mechanics. Chris Lilley http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/httpbis/trac/ticket/20 More discussion needed. Bhumip Khasnabish Virtual Desktop Infrastructure List of possible work items Remark: Proposal in OMA also to set-up virtual experience work item. Next discussions from AD? Work of IETF? Is it a protocol or an API? Need to discuss with ADs. END ========================================================================