OPS-AREA Open meeting minutes
(based on notes taken by Linda Dumbar and Bhumip Khasnabish)

Wednesday, July 27, 2011
Morning Session 

Area Directors and Meeting Chairs: Dan Romascanu and Ron Bonica 

agenda: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/81/agenda/opsarea.txt
meeting-materials: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/81/materials.html#wg-opsarea

The meeting was hold in a common session with the OPSAWG. 

1. Note well, agenda bashing, note takers, jabber scribe, blue sheets - 5 min 
 
2. Trust Router and Key Negotiation Protocol (KNP)- Sam Hartman, Josh Howlett, Margaret Wasserman 

(https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-howlett-radsec-knp/)

Margaret Wasserman presents Key Negotiation Protocol (KNP) for RadSec 
 (http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-howlett-radsec-knp-01.txt ). The ABFAB WG focuses on multi-hop federation for Apps bridging for apps beyond web?.
Dave Harrington: what is the transport here?
Margaret: The orange balls are RAIDUS proxies..
Margaret asked for feedback to abfab@ietf.org.. 
The meeting will be held on Friday- at 9 AM 


3. Marking the Ethernet MIB RFCs as Obsolete - Dan Romascanu

IETF Hub MIB WG was active, and completed the work. They left a set of RFCs (8 RFCs) related to repeaters and Ethernet interfaces. Since 2006 IEEE 802.3 WG has taken over that work, and their first phase work was completed 3 months. IETF and IEEE agreed to transfer the RFCs to IEEE and released the rights. IEEE started 2nd phase of work for updated MIBs, so how do we mark the existing RFCs because these are obsolete by IEEE work? These are freely available 3 months after the work is completed.
Move these RFCs from Standards track to historical docs and point to the IEEE work for updates.
Write an informational RFC to document the history for the community.
Scott (speaking as indv): Like a short doc. explaining why.
Dan says that an Informational RFC as AD-sponsored doc may be appropriate.


4. Open mike:

Wes George: There was a discussion in NANOG list on disconnect from reality. What are we doing for operators to add value was the discussion? Can we have a little discussion on this?
Scott: we need an operators guide to IETF.
Lee Howard: We do not have a lot of operators. We need to go to NANOG and do a short mtg., and ask for inputs. 
Wes Hardeker: I was in NANOG a year ago to get their opinion. Yes it?s nice they get to know and review what?s coming. They are concerned with real operations. They would like to have a 10 min. preso on what?s coming out of IETF. Don?t give then anything that may change.
Ron: Commit to reading their list. Can we do interim mtg at NANOG? ARMD was at NANOG. It was difficult because of ?Note Well?. We accumulated enough to bring to IETF. Maybe we can go to every other NANOG to get info or to give them update.
Wes George: Follow up. ARIN wants a formal relation but it is ineffective. Try to cover millions of issues and/specs rather that prioritizing 15 things..
Wes Hardeker: Share the results of test and experiments. Find out what can be shared with operators (real world feedback), and they may like this.

Dan R. (AD): OK the queue is empty, and the time is over. See you all in Taipei.