AppsAWG and the Applications Area General Session met at IETF 82 in Taipei, at 9:00 local time on Monday, 14 Nov 2011 ----- 09:00 Agenda Bashing, and WG Status Quick status of: draft-ietf-appsawg-rfc3462bis draft-ietf-appsawg-xdash Status reviewed. Pete reviewed reasons for second IETF last call of 3462bis, for Internet Standard status. Xdash is about ready for working-group last call. ----- 09:05 draft-ietf-appsawg-about-uri-scheme (chairs) Room consensus for registry to be FCFS with minimal doc via template. ----- 09:15 draft-pbryan-json-patch (Bryan) comments: Important to ALTO and others. Larry Masinter: Focus needs to be on interop, and needs more doc for that. Others disagree: "It's FINE for interop." Will take to mailing list, possibly request WG adoption. ----- 09:25 draft-nottingham-http-new-status (Nottingham) Discussion of whether to do this here or in httpbis. Not in httpbis charter, which is tight on purpose. Mark is concerned about loosening the httpbis charter. Go for AD-sponsored, rather than appsawg. Peter will sponsor. ----- 09:35 draft-gregorio-uritemplate (Nottingham) Ted Hardie: This is useful, but has been around for a while, with different authors. Need to get this done soon, so it doesn't languish again. ----- 09:45 draft-kucherawy-greylisting-bcp (Kucherawy) comments: Useful document; good to document bad practices as well as good. Should this be BCP or informational? Arguments for both. Take discussion and decision to the list; get input for updates. ----- -- Transition to Applications Area Open Meeting -- ----- 09:55 New WGs and BoFs (quick overview of new work of App interest): REPUTE (App area, Wed aft II) Chairs: Dave Crocker, Chris Lewis Dave gave a summary. JOSE (Sec area, Mon Aft I) Chairs: Tony Hansen, Jim Schaad Jim gave a summary. PAWS (App area, Tue morn) Chairs: Brian Rosen, Gabor Bajko Gabor gave a summary. MILE (Sec area, Wed aft II) Chairs: Kathleen Moriarty, Brian Trammell Kathleen gave a summary. BoF previews: WEIRDS (App area; Wed morning) - 5 min Chairs: Murray Kucherawy, Andrew Sullivan Andrew gave a summary. DCON (RAI area; Mon Aft II) - 5 min Chairs: Simon Pietro Romano, Brian Rosen Peter St. Andre gave a summary. SDN (RTG area; application input to the control and operation of network control planes; Thu Aft III) - 5 min Chairs: Lou Berger, Wes George Peter St. Andre gave a summary. ----- 10:05 ICANN project about "variant" DNS name issues (Andrew Sullivan) comment: More coordination with IRI work needed. counter-comment: Bad idea to mix them. question: How are domain names considered equivalent? Some people do not want "equivalence"... want them to be "the same", but don't necessarily want them to resolve to the same address. comment: No DNS magic can make things be the same for any useful value of "the same" Some hope here, with proper input. example: grandhyatt.taiwan, with "taiwan" in traditional Chinese or simplified Chinese... might be "the same", but resolve to different pages, one in traditional and the other in simplified. ICANN public comment page is at http://www.icann.org/en/public-comment/ ----- 10:25 Intro of proposed SPF work (Murray Kucherawy) Ted: Question about IPR, which was a problem in MARID. Proponents think it's not a problem here, specific to Sender-ID, not SPF. Discussion of Sender-ID and "the experiment". Dave: Questions of what changes to do... errata, removing features, etc. ----- 10:35 Report from ALTO working group (Enrico Marocco) Looking for Apps reviews of ALTO work. AD suggestions of ways to get early reviews and sanity checks. Ted: Difference, too, between early review of docs, and design/architecture review. Discussion of early Apps review in general. ----- 10:50 Issues in Identifier Comparison for Security Purposes (Dave Thaler) Looking for input/comments/reviews on the document. Discussion on i18n-discuss@iab.org comment: Should be an IETF stream doc, not an IAB doc. comment: Title should be "recommendations", not "issues". Document is aiming at making recommendations. ----- 11:20 Basic Device Classification (Bruce Nordman) - 5 min draft-nordman-classification Looking for assitance/comment/collaboration. Want to make a registry for generic device "type names", as known by humans. "computer", "projector", that sort of thing. question about properties vs type names, and what the use case is. question about behaviour of devices, related to proerties vs names. answer: Not addressing functional aspects of the devices. question: Why is "what they are" useful? Unclear on purpose. CORE could use something like this, but needs abstract types, rather than type names. ----- 11:30 Open mic, one last-second comment Murray: mentions malformed MTA doc and registry idea, which was brought up on the mailing list. Reminding people, looking for comments on the list. ----- Adjourn at 11:32. -----