BFCPBIS working group Friday 3rd August 2012
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Room: Regency B (http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/84/venue/?room=regency-b)
Meeting started 12:30 pm
Agenda Bash and Status Update        
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Chairs presenting.
Slides: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/slides/slides-84-bfcpbis-0.ppt
Note well presented.
Notetakers were Shida Schubert and Alan Ford. Jabber scribe Jonathan Lennox.
No changes were made to the agenda.

draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4582bis-04
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http://tools.ietf.org/wg/bfcpbis/draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4582bis/
Tom Kristensen presenting
Slides: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/slides/slides-84-bfcpbis-1.pdf
- Changes since IETF83.

Small fixes - editorial etc. Motivational appendix and DTLS issue (reference) also fixed.

-04 bigger changes after serious reviews, notably from Ernst Horvath and Alfred Heggestad.
* Removed ErrorAck
* Clarified transactions/connections
* Error handling clarified
* Client/server logic separated
* Reliable transport and R/F flags.

Jonathan Lennox in room questioned SHOULD for Tx, but pointed out (by KeithD, TomK, AlanF) that is the spirit of 4582 and there's not a bug to fix.

* Clarified NAT traversal. Need STUN input.
* and many more editorials

Gonzalo - When will you take it through WGLC? 

Keith - Will put both drafts through WGLC together, and therefore discuss the two together at end of the session. 


draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis-02
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http://tools.ietf.org/wg/bfcpbis/draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis/

Tom Kristensen presenting
Slides: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/slides/slides-84-bfcpbis-1.pdf
- Changes since IETF83.

Update from -00 to -01, ixed an interpretation of m-stream bug.
Update from -01 to -02, added UDP/TLS example to complement TCP/TLS example.

No remaining issues - ready for WGLC.

Jonathan Lennox: How does BFCP over UDP/TLS play with ICE?
TomK: Do not feel there is need to mention it - a reference to ICE is as far as it goes in 4583 and there's no need to change that.
Jonathan seemed okay about just having reference. 

Next Steps   
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Chairs presenting
Slides: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/slides/slides-84-bfcpbis-0.ppt

4582bis ready for WGLC (after small text clarification due from TomK and therefore update of the draft). Already ready by a significant number of reviewers.

4583bis
Small number of review comments received.
On a call in the room 3 or 4 of people indicated that they has read the draft.
Meeting agreed this document was ready for WGLC. 

Chairs: Wait for the update rfc4582bis and then put both drafts through WGLC together, hopefully fairly shortly after this meeting.

Gonzalo: So aim to have the publication request in September

Meeting closed at 12:51 pm