IETF 95 Plenary Minutes by Alan Johnston April 6, 2016 1. Welcome (IETF chair) - Jari Arkko Presented agenda Thanked host - LACNIC Thanked sponsors 2. Host Presentation (host) - Carlos Martinez Welcome A long time planning for an IETF in South America Joked about 95attendees list Enjoy Carlos thanked by Jari at conclusion of talk and given plaque. 3. Updates on hot topics + IETF-wide issues (IETF chair) - Jari Arkko Reports are available online Meeting & participants - First in Latin America, 2nd in Southern Hemisphere - Large number of local participants - Largest number of remote antendees - 1002 onsite, 171 newcomers - 55 countries Ombudsteam - Anti-harassment policy RFC 7776 - Team can be contacted for help, advice, and possible action - Team members: Linda Klieforth, Allison Mankin, and Pete Resnick Mailing list Facilitators - For ietf@ietf.org mailing list - Members: S Moonesamy, Carlos Pignataro, and Christian Huitema - You might get a mail from them suggesting you write a draft rather than continuing to argue - No change for roles of ADs, sergeant-at-arms, etc. - Discussion style: treat everyone with respect, no ad hominem, etc IPR Update - RFC 3979 BCP 79 is being updated as bis draft - ongoing last call Note Well Updates - A new Note Well is under community review - Please comment by April 8 Code & Hackathon - Code Spring - IETF Hackathon. Sponsored by Huawei Highlights: 100+ participants New Projects: TLS 1.3, VPP, Big Data: See Wiki for details Hackathon Proceedings published in datatracker Berlin Hackathon: July 16-17 - Also operations: DNS-OARC, Camara Argentina de Internet Recognitions ADs stepping down: Martin Stiemerling, Barry Leiba, and Brian Haberman Jari presented plaque and hats and blankets Scott Bradner retiring in June 2016 Active since IETF-16 Author of most cited RFC 2119 Jari presented a plaque and “Mother of Consensus Award” Scott received a standing ovation from audience and spoke briefly Comment from mic: Scott received the 2nd Postel Award + Administrative topics (IAOC/Trust chairs) - Leslie Daigle, Ray Pelletier, and Tobias Gondrom Leslie: Leslie is newly elected IAOC chair. Tobias thanked for his chairing Feedback about hotels and availability Meeting Venue BOF on Thursday Ray: Buenos Aires Meeting Snapshot 555 registered remote participants Visas: 20 letters issued Thank Christian O’F for helping with visas and NOC equipment customs clearance Yokohama Meeting Summary Bottom Line: Net income from meeting Meeting Announcement IETF-100: Singapore (General “wow” from the audience) Host for IETF-100: Cisco Projects, Tools, Contracting Update TOR and Cloudflare CDN problem resolved 2015 Financial Results: positive results IETF Global Hosts Program Welcome to a new IETF Global Host: Ericsson Gonzalo signed on the dotted line for Ericsson Gonzalo spoke a few words explaining why Ericsson signed up Four other companies: Cisco, Comcast, NBCUniversal, Juniper IETF celebrating 30 years Miscellaneous Thursday Tech Talk: Oscar Robles, LACNIC CEO NOC Team - absence of Chris Elliot “Chelliot” noted Tobias: IETF Trust Report Tobias Grondrom elected chair Benson Schliesser, outgoing chair, thanked Lawsuit against IETF dismissed Trust Willingness to hold IPR Related to IANA - approved Trust Finances - filing for tax exempt 501(c)(3) Conflict of Interest Policy - necessary for tax-exempt status Copyright Statements in Contributions to IETF Contributors are not permitted to include additional copyright assertions in contributions Hackathon IPR - code developed is not automatically assumed to be a contribution + Meeting calendar updates (IAD) + NomCom update and requests (Nomcom chair) - Harald Nomcom 2015 has completed duties Members of Nomcom Input to Nomcom IESG decisions IAB decisions Lucy Lynch is the next Nomcom chair Thanks to everyone involved + RFC Editor update (RFC Editor) - Heather No April Fools RFC published this year due to light submission RFC Format Project Update Hope to test changes by IETF-97 + Trends affecting the IETF (Alia Atlas) Report from design team Planning for next 15 years IETF is living in the world we helped create Become more effective in our Internet world Read draft-arkko-ietf-trends-and-observations 4. In Memoriam - Jari Arkko Chris Elliot Tom Taylor Rob Blokzijl Joyce Reynolds Ray Tomlinson A moment of silence for all of them 5. Postel Award - Kathy Brown 2016 Jonathan B. Postel Service Award nominations accepted until May 18, 2016 Nominations at https://www.internetsociety.org/postel 6. IETF 96 Welcome - Tom Walsh IETF-96 July 17-22, 2016 in 100 days! Sponsored by Juniper Social event held at Charlottenburg Palace Community is invited 7. Architectural issues needing attention (IAB chair) - Andrew Sullivan Details are online: Thanks to departing and welcome to incoming Workshops and Transparency - requests to make more open and have remote participation Decision is up to Program Committee 8. Report from the IOT Semantic Interoperability Workshop (Dave Thaler) Successful meeting Meeting notes are available IAB Names & Identifiers Program - Suzanne Woolf Not just domain names, but all identifiers A number of drafts have been started: draft-lewis-domain-names, draft-trammell-inip-pins, draft-hardie-resolution-contexts ARCING BOF this week Public mailing list: inip-discuss@ietf.org 9. IAB, IAOC, and IESG Open Mic sessions Everyone up on stage at once Ted Hardie: An important venue selection principle is that it is inclusive. Singapore does not meet this principle. Singapore criminalizes same sex marriage so I won't attend. Thanks to Argentina hosts for such a welcoming venue. No replies. Phill Hallam-Baker: Permissionless innovation and code point registries. Should WG be able to choose "specification required" for a registry? IAB/IESG should require WGs to justify such a decision. Jari Arkko reply: I agree with your comments. Barry Leiba reply: I've been pushing back on this. We need leadership from above on this. Phill Hallam-Baker reply: I don't think this is a WG decision. Having unappealable gatekeeper function is not acceptable. Barry Leiab reply: It is appealable and accountable. Jari Arkko: Practical work involved in fixing cases where we went too far. Pete Resnick: Does anyone on IAOC want to address Ted's comment? Leslie Daigle reply: Thanks for the input. Lou Berger reply: useful to capture for the future. Stephen Farrell reply: At least an "Oops" would be good. Pete Resnick: Question for the Trust. Working on procedural BCP text. Others want to borrow that text, but not allowed based on IETF copyright. We got permissions and put text on a website so it could be borrowed. Could we allow this for procedural or informational documents. Scott Bradner reply: It is a good point. Point should be revisited. We did talk about this for a long time. Jari Arkko reply: I agree with Scott. This particular case was handled OK, but solving this for the general case is a good idea. Alissa Cooper reply: I agree but this might go beyond process documents. See if there are other cases. Ben Campbell: Agree as well. Codec payload document had same issue due to open source experimentation. Alia Atlas: Start with a draft. Eliot Lear: To IAOC. Thank IAOC for bringing us to Argentina. Alvaro, could you talk about satellite participation. Thanks to Fernando Gont. Alvaro Retana: Working with operator community, educating. Lots of volunteers helping. Jim Martin: IETF network built using donated equipment. This time, Level 3 and iPlan delivered circuits. Ubiquity gave us routers. Juniper gave us 2 core routers - thanks to Ron Bonica and Tom Walsh for their hard work. Dan York channeling John Klensin from Jabber room: Phill’s arguments apply when privacy policy is used to block work. Stephen Farrell reply: is there a specific issue? Scott Bradner reply: think it relates to a request to block an independent RFC stream publication. Jari Arkko reply: Community should set the bar. Andrew Sullivan lreply: All true, but difference between Phil’s and John’s comments. There is IETF consensus that pervasive monitoring is bad for the Internet, so that document shouldn’t be published. Bob Hinden: Great venue, great country. For IAB, I requested remote access (not even participation) to workshops. Hope you will allow it for the future. Andrew Sullivan reply: We try to get workshop reports out quickly. Raw notes on IoT workshop up already. Share your desire, but need support. With time, this will get easier. I appreciate the remark. Jari Arkko reply: I was going to workshop but couldn’t go due to accident. I was able to get access, but not ideal. Sean Turner: I’m not speaking for the Internet society board. Want more diversity. Give nomcom more options. 2nd point. IAOC response to Ted sucked. Maybe need to unseat the IAOC to make them understand. Scott Bradner reply: We understand now. We blew it. We should have thought of it but did not. Tobias Gondrom reply: I agree with Scott. You have to rely on the IAOC members. It is important we capture all the aspects. We all want more diversity. All considerations should be documented and captured. I agree we didn’t do the right thing. Sean Turner: The IETF is all about openness. Scott Bradner reply: We made a mistake. Tobias Gondrom reply: Yes, we don’t know everything. That’s why we are doing the [MTGVENUE] BOF. We had extensive discussions, but not about this topic. I am guilty of this. We have to balance multiple goals. Asian options are limited due to availability. There is no perfect solution. Leslie Daigle reply: I want to be clear. IAOC choices aren’t intentionally oblivious. Difficult to find a good place to meet. Some people aren’t here in Argentina due to visa problems. We need to find a way to gather community perspective early in the process so we can have a rational approach to find locations to meet. Stephen Farrell reply: I disagree with Leslie. Not about expectations but rights. Lack of transparency is a problem. Dave Crocker (remotely): Tobias and Leslie said what I wanted to say. There has been more than one time that we advised against a venue for reasons of principle. Rejected venue was for different. Process does try to pay attention to these concerns. have to guess concerns. If community wants to avoid certain locations, we need a “no fly” list. Rich Salz: Was mistake made knowingly or not knowingly. Benson Schliesser reply: Didn’t know. This issue isn’t on there. Bob Hinden: No mention of why Trust was applying for not for profit status. This is a big deal. Trust needs to tell us what is going on. Taking IANA IPR is good thing. You didn’t say why. You should tell the community. Leslie Daigle reply: Fair point. This has been exposed on IANA plan mailing list. It is true that we’ve been too hip deep in the details. A formal plan has not been put forward. Bob Hinden: Where the money comes from is a big deal. I can guess why and understand, but you should tell us why Benson Schliesser reply: It should have been done before. Tobias Gondrom reply: I second. We will take on more IPR in the future. There is a duty that we have resources to continue to register IPR. We need a small amount of money for legal fees. Pete Resnick: There are ways of talking about meeting selection topic. Words such as “balance” are dangerous - you don’t balance. What these are is a conversation we need to have. Lets not have this conversation in this forum. Tobias Gondrom reply: There are criteria that are yes/no. Other criteria require balance. For example pollution, infrastructure. Richard Barnes: It was said past is past, can only influence future. Given feedback tonight, encourage IAOC to consider changes and work with sponsor on changes.