tsvarea virtual "interim" meeting 20 March 2020. Meeting Minutes - TSV Area status David: "encryption of transport headers" (TSVWG draft) likely headed to IETF last call soon, so enjoy your trial by fire Martin! Colin: correction: RMCAT still has one document active - Relevant WG and BOFs during the IETF 107 - Interim planning and FAQs Aaron: TAPS will continue with monthly cadence for TAPS virtual interims; these aren't actually scheduled yet. Lars: QUIC dispatch will move to Madrid if Madrid happens. No virtual interim planned yet, email and github seem to suffice. Virtual interops will continue. Michael T.: TCPM plans several sequential WGLCs as well as a virtual interim meeting mid/end-April. Please have a look at the documents in order to help us finishing them! David: TSVWG - L4S/SCE needs an interim meeting (but decision probably needs to happen in person), and a second interim for everything else. Q: What if IETF-108 does not happen in Madrid? A: TSVWG chairs discussing overall L4S/SCE/ECT(1) decision process, will include ADs, this would be part of that discussion. Brian T.: IPPM plans to schedule 15:00 UTC 1 April, agenda is ready byt still need to confirm. Brian P.: NFSv4 carrying agendas over to two interims, scheduled for April 22 and 29. Agenda has been published. Aaron: Can Colin update on TSV-interesting groups in IRTF? Colin: None of MAPRG, PANRG, or ICCRG have yet scheduled a virtual meeting Mirja: No virtual for MAPRG yet, still discussing. Brian T.: PANRG will roll over to Madrid, we'll talk about an interim when and if it looks like Colin: Jana in the same place on ICCRG. IRTFOPEN cancelled, ANRP will roll over. ANRW CFP is out, deadline in on April 10. Mirja: Things are running as plann for now for ANRW. Colin: COIN has a virtual interim scheduled to 7 April - Open mic Mirja: We're doing this in part to test the virtual interim setup Martin: so if you have feedback on how this works, please share. Aaron: The online interims TAPS has been running have been working very effectively. We end up with better dialogue, since there's no presenter + mics. This plus encouragement to have more interims may increase the throughput of the IETFs. Are they using a different tech for the plenary sessions? Mirja: No, but we can get more participants/resources in Webex. Aaron: Had a specific worry last night. Alissa: We're using a regular webex meeting for the plenary and see how it goes. Useful to get feedback, because a very large WG or the plenary is not really what Webex is designed for. Working on how to get feedback but even adhoc feedback is Aaron: I understood there was a 500 person limit in meetings, is that contractual or technical? Alissa: Contractual, we can scale to the plenary Mirja: One of the reasons the interims work in TAPS is integration with GitHub and issue tracker, etc. It's a different dynamic than the in person, so you can decide whether you want to run the meeting the same or differently. David: We had a TSVWG interim via WebEx ... worked well for information sharing, skeptical that it will be a good forum for making difficult decisions. Chairs are willing to try almost anything given state of L4S/SCE. Mirja: Aaron asks about hums. Yeah, that's difficult, asking chairs to do a different way for getting the sense of the room. Strongly recommend against audible hums. Spencer: is L4S/SCE more difficult than other difficult IETF questions that we might try to resolve in virtual meetings? David: possibly reopening RFC 3168 (ECN) for fragmentation in the not too distant future ... Spencer: offering my thoughts for TSVWG's new AD, Martin :-)