NTP/TICTOC WG Interim Meeting 11 February 2016 Karen called the meeting to order and reviewed the Note Well. NTS: Dieter Sibold: The editors have a couple of changes they want to make soon; they expect a small update to both documents next week, then support WGLC. Karen wants to LC all three docs at once.  No issues raised with that plan. Richard Welty is about to upload code to NTF to implement all extension fields.  He then plans to work with Danny Mayer re: generic extension field processing and MAC handling.  He plans to write tests to show how extension field processing is supposed to work. Karen asked if everyone still wanted to go through with IANA Early Assignment.  Richard: we don't really require it.  We're okay with assignment later in the process.  Danny Mayer: we might want to do it earlier than LC - no objection either way.  Karen: we'll plan to go ahead with WGLC.  We can always decide to ask for early assignment later. Danny: we'll probably set up an extension field MAC to replace the existing MAC.  It would be in addition to the current one for now, with a goal of getting rid of the existing one.  Issue: the current one doesn't scale.  Basically same thing, but will recast it as an extension field. Richard: code does have a small dependency on OpenSSL internals. Talking with OpenSSL team re: how to proceed.  Need OpenSSL 1.0.2 for now.  This dependency will likely be fixed in 1.1.0. Kristof Teichel has heard of a second NTS implementation in progress; likely not as far along as NTF's implementation, but expecting to be finsihed in April - it's part of a thesis project.  Karen encouraged Kristof to invite him to join us. Richard Welty changed his answer re: early assignment: he thinks there is a need to pre allocate OIDs: if we want them to be part of OpenSSL 1.1.0, they need those in about a month.  Karen tasked Richard to talk to Tal about the specifics to make sure we're asking for the right thing. Karen is thinking of a three week WGLC.  Several voices argued for a longer WGLC: four week+. Karen also plans to post a note to the SAAG list asking for review. -- BCP: Denis Reilly: no changes to report.  He would like to have more help. Denis has placed the draft in github.  Has had offers of explaining leap seconds, etc., but has not gotten any submissions of text.  He welcomes editing the XML or sending him text.  He wants someone else to write the security portion. -- TICTOC: Greg Dowd: 1588 MIB is almost done.  Tim offered to pick this up. Content is done, but formatting is presenting challenges.  Brian Haberman offered some guidance on how to get through this.  Karen thinks she has someone who can help with this; taking discussion off-line. Transporting timing over MPLS: no document authors on the call.  After meeting, Karen will ask authors if they want to move forward to not. It went through one WGLC before.  It was intended to be an experimental RFC. Enterprise profile: Denis likes the body of the document and thinks it should go forward.  WGLC will be issued. Yang model for 1588 v2: Karen gave some background on the document. No questions or comments. -- Karen spoke about how IEEE 1588 work intersects with tictoc work.  The 1588 WG is planning to publish an update in 2017.  Two areas of intersection: one, we expect some parts of NTS to be incorporated into 1588.  Second area is YANG model for 1588. Karen spoke about a presentation at the Yokohama meeting from Huawei re: scalable clock sync networks.  They're doing some modeling work generic to all sync systems, not specific to our protocols.  There is a new list for that work; Karen has asked them to keep us updated. Charter updates: Karen wants a put together a small editing team to produce new charter language.  Thinking of a single time-related working group combining NTP, tictoc, and anything else.  Work to include NTP update, larger-scale networks, etc.  Eric S Raymond volunteered to help. The next meeting will be March 10th.  After the charter update, we may move time slot around to better accommodate those in Asia.  No objections.